MGS3: Snake Eater Mafia - Tactical Espionage Action (GAME)

[charlou]

(b) char has had such a mess of a game that her being scum is really the only way for her to redeem herself.

Get fucked.

[charlou]

I know we're thinking janitor, but what if Zigmens role was stolen by someone else, so no details for us, and how better to fake a doc claim then if you've killed the real doc, one night with a no-kill proves your claim and gets you to endgame.

We're being played.

##vote charlou##

normally i wouldn't even consider this, but (a) it's a gonzo game and (b) char has had such a mess of a game that her being scum is really the only way for her to redeem herself.

The thing that really nullifies your theory is that she claimed doc before zigmen was killed, and it really seems like there is probably a doc in this game.

umm yeah .. like gonzo put it in the order of night actions.

Oh yeah .. when the contemplation of a blocker came up, who tried to minimalise it? You.

[Don't Panic]

WHAT WE 'KNOW'

Listed in order of claim / death
Player --------- Role ------------- Power
char ----------- The Boss ---------- Doc
b.ternarius ---- Para-Medic ------ Mafia Goon
Adenosine ------ Raikov ----------- VT (confirmed)
zigmen -------- The Boss --------- Immune to friendly fire (?)
Andrew -------- Volgin ----------- Seer
Azathoth ------ EVA --------------- Scum Role Blocker / Town Traitor
irre ------------ The Fear --------- VT (confirmed)
DP -------------- ? ------------------ VT
contra --------- The Fury --------- VT
amok ---------- Revolver Ocelot - Role Blocker
matt ----------- The Sorrow ------ VT
mz ------------- Johnny ----------- VT
ut -------------- The End ---------- VT
Feck ----------- The Pain --------- VT
gib ------------ Escape Ape ------- Survivor Bus Driver

- gib claims to have been bus driving charlou with other people every night
- andrew claims to have gotten GRU (town) while investigating irre on night 2 and mz in night 3
- charlou claims to have protects andrew on night 3
- There were no night actions night 1
- There was no death night 3

LYNCHEES
01 Amok
02 andrewclunn
03 charlou [1] Don't Panic
04 Contra
05 DP [1] andrewclunn
06 Feck
07 gib
08 MagicZiggy [1] Contra
09 MattShizzle
10 UselessTwit

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1039095
Link to my role claim, including name on day 2.

[charlou]

WHAT WE 'KNOW'

Listed in order of claim / death
Player --------- Role ------------- Power
char ----------- The Boss ---------- Doc
b.ternarius ---- Para-Medic ------ Mafia Goon
Adenosine ------ Raikov ----------- VT (confirmed)
zigmen -------- The Boss --------- Immune to friendly fire (?)
Andrew -------- Volgin ----------- Seer
Azathoth ------ EVA --------------- Scum Role Blocker / Town Traitor
irre ------------ The Fear --------- VT (confirmed)
DP -------------- ? ------------------ VT
contra --------- The Fury --------- VT
amok ---------- Revolver Ocelot - Role Blocker
matt ----------- The Sorrow ------ VT
mz ------------- Johnny ----------- VT
ut -------------- The End ---------- VT
Feck ----------- The Pain --------- VT
gib ------------ Escape Ape ------- Survivor Bus Driver

- gib claims to have been bus driving charlou with other people every night
- andrew claims to have gotten GRU (town) while investigating irre on night 2 and mz in night 3
- charlou claims to have protects andrew on night 3
- There were no night actions night 1
- There was no death night 3

LYNCHEES
01 Amok
02 andrewclunn
03 charlou [1] Don't Panic
04 Contra
05 DP [1] andrewclunn
06 Feck
07 gib
08 MagicZiggy [1] Contra
09 MattShizzle
10 UselessTwit

re the bit I've bolded ... I also said I protected MZ on night two.

At the time I thought he might be the seer. I mentioned that, too.

[charlou]

you forgot to include the night two deaths.

[Uselesstwit]

I know we're thinking janitor, but what if Zigmens role was stolen by someone else, so no details for us, and how better to fake a doc claim then if you've killed the real doc, one night with a no-kill proves your claim and gets you to endgame.

We're being played.

##vote charlou##

normally i wouldn't even consider this, but (a) it's a gonzo game and (b) char has had such a mess of a game that her being scum is really the only way for her to redeem herself.

The thing that really nullifies your theory is that she claimed doc before zigmen was killed, and it really seems like there is probably a doc in this game.

umm yeah .. like gonzo put it in the order of night actions.

Oh yeah .. when the contemplation of a blocker came up, who tried to minimalise it? You.

char, I'm getting very tired of tiptoeing around you this game. I'm just going to join irre's idea of mostly ignoring you.

[charlou]

Go ahead with that passive aggressive shite.

Tiptoeing ... did irre come up with that UT? ... Is that how anyone else feels? If you do, please say so.

Fuck, I'm just playing mafia here. But if my gameplay is fucked up, I'd like to know ... and now, thanks.

[charlou]

And gib .. why did you want in, only to not fucking contribute when it matters most?

[Feck]

When is nightfall ?

[charlou]

Go ahead with that passive aggressive shite.

Tiptoeing ... did irre come up with that UT? ... Is that how anyone else feels? If you do, please say so.

Fuck, I'm just playing mafia here. But if my gameplay is fucked up, I'd like to know ... and now, thanks.

Bump.

I really want to know.

I want to know if it's me.

At this point I'm thinking it is, and people are being polite playing the game around me.

night

[Uselesstwit]

Okay let's talk about votes for a bit. these are from different people so the format is a bit different with each one.
The day one aborted lynch:
0] amok votes for
[0] andrewclunn votes for dp
[0] athene votes for
[0] azathoth votes for charlou
[0] b.ternarius votes for
[3] charlou votes for dp
[2] DP votes for
[0] feck votes for UT
[0] irretating votes for
[0] ksen votes for
[0] magicziggy votes for
[0] mattshizzle votes for
[1] uselesstwit votes for charlou
[0] zigmen votes for charlou

The thing that stands out here is that both zigmen and aza have voted for char. I'd say that lends itself to her town claim a bit. aza probably was voting in the dark and we don't know zig's alignment, but chances are good both of them were trying not to vote scum.

Day two successful lynch of b.tern:
01 Adenosine
02 Amok [1] charlou
03 andrewclunn [2] azathoth, b.ternarius
04 Azathoth [1] andrewclunn
05 b.ternarius [4.5] Adenosine, MagicZiggy, amok, Contra feck?
06 charlou
07 Contra [1] Zigmen
08 DP
09 Feck
10 gib
11 Irre
12 MagicZiggy [1] UselessTwit
13 MattShizzle
14 UselessTwit
15 Zigmen [2] Irre, gib

so aden, mz amok and contra look townish for this vote. andrew is backed up with his claim by both aza and b.tern being on it. Contra probably gets some more cred for zigmen voting him and gib gets some for voting for zigmen with irre. Feck did put a last minute vote on b.tern, but it didn't make it onto gonzo's list so i'm not sure if it was in time or not. No idea if it was a bus or a deliberate late vote, or even if it was a late vote since I have no idea when the round ends happened.

Day three successful lynch of the traitor.
Az 5 (irre, gib, Andrew, Ut, amok, MZ)
DP 1 (Az, )
amok 1 (DP)
irre 1 (charlou)
Currently no placed vote: Contra, Feck, Matt

So gib andrew ut amok and mz get town cred for hunting down aza, not as much as the b.tern lynch but there should be some. Dp get's a little cred for being voted by aza to lose it for voting for amok. Contra, feck and matt not voting concerns me quite a bit.

So far, char, dp and matt are the only ones left alive that managed to not vote for either of our successful bw. Matt didn't actually vote at all in either case, which really does seem pretty scummy to me, especially when he did the exact same thing the last time he was scum.

[Uselesstwit]

When is nightfall ?

if we get the full 24 hours in about 8 hours or so.

[Uselesstwit]

Go ahead with that passive aggressive shite.

Tiptoeing ... did irre come up with that UT? ... Is that how anyone else feels? If you do, please say so.

Fuck, I'm just playing mafia here. But if my gameplay is fucked up, I'd like to know ... and now, thanks.

Bump.

I really want to know.

I want to know if it's me.

At this point I'm thinking it is, and people are being polite playing the game around me.

night

for me at least, you are having a shocker of a game, and you're coupling it with a kind of assurance that is frustrating. Being wrong is perfectly natural in a game, being wrong while being absolutely certain of your views is very difficult to play with. But take this with a grain of salt, i'm very good friends with irre and i'm not happy with what happened there. Not that she's told me why she left yet, so I very well could be blaming you for that unfairly.

[Uselesstwit]

and no, i came up with tiptoeing, i've been on the verge several times of really going off on you, only to have to retract things i had typed. I don't like either being angry at you(I think a big part of it is that I know you're a better player than i've seen this game) or self censoring for fear that it would lead to a spat that would distract town. And honestly if you do flip scum, i'm replacing athene in my sig with your name, because it'll have been the performance that sets the standard for all future scum.

[charlou]

Well, gee thanks UT, that's helpful.

It's a fucking game. I'm friends with her too ... in an internet I like you and stuff kinda way ... I don't know if it's the same level as your friendship, but that's irrelevant. I picked up a slip up. It is there. She could have dealt with it. If she left the game because of that .. well .. Again, I want to know if it's something about how I play?