You reap what you sow, unless you're a socialist.

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Re: You reap what you sow, unless you're a socialist.

Post by JimC » Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:01 am

Cunt wrote:
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In the way your example seemed to cast the end point--debt, job loss, market failure etc--as an inevitable consequences of missed opportunities.

What effective control does the bloke really have over his job security, or the wider economic conditions of the housing market?

If you decide to drive home the pretty way because it's a nice day and you have a blowout on an isolated country road and end up in the creek trapped in your car covered in petrol you only appear to have missed an opportunity (made a bad decision) to avoid being in such a precarious position retrospectively. Even then that kind of assessment isn't going to help you when you need it - which is right now.

Everything appears to be inevitable after it's happened.
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Re: You reap what you sow, unless you're a socialist.

Post by Cunt » Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:20 am

JimC wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 2:01 am
Cunt wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:23 am
Brian Peacock wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:19 am
In the way your example seemed to cast the end point--debt, job loss, market failure etc--as an inevitable consequences of missed opportunities.

What effective control does the bloke really have over his job security, or the wider economic conditions of the housing market?

If you decide to drive home the pretty way because it's a nice day and you have a blowout on an isolated country road and end up in the creek trapped in your car covered in petrol you only appear to have missed an opportunity (made a bad decision) to avoid being in such a precarious position retrospectively. Even then that kind of assessment isn't going to help you when you need it - which is right now.

Everything appears to be inevitable after it's happened.
We are all victims of physics.
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Re: You reap what you sow, unless you're a socialist.

Post by pErvinalia » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:28 am

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If we look at the lives of the well-off we will see similar failures. A man buys an expensive house just before he's laid off, the housing market implodes and he's forced to sell for thousands less than he paid and go broke in the process. He could have bought a cheaper house, been more realistic about his earning potential going forward, or less concerned with impressing Miami etc.

In both situations opportunities will have been missed.
What are the opportunities the poor and disadvantaged have missed?
We would need to look into individual cases. But it's reasonable to believe people without drinking water --who aren't homeless-- missed an opportunity to fill a gallon every time they finished one of milk for example.
I think it's fair to think of the government as an insurance policy against extreme events. Nothing socialist about that.
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Re: You reap what you sow, unless you're a socialist.

Post by Hermit » Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:58 am

Some non-socialist Texans are being reaped (sp) by their energy companies. Texas has an unregulated energy market. It's cheaper, they said. Well, it is until it is not.
The deadly storm, which blanketed Texas in snow last week, knocked out power to millions of people across the region.

But some residents who were still able to turn on their lights and keep their fridges running found themselves with bills reaching thousands of dollars.

Dallas resident and US Army veteran Scott Willoughby told the New York Times that he faced a $16,000 bill which had obliterated his savings.

Susan Hosford, who lives in the city of Denison, told the Associated Press she had been charged $1,346 for the first two weeks of February alone and faced bank charges when the money automatically left her account, despite not having enough funds.

Many people who have gone public on social media about their high electricity bills are customers of electricity provider Griddy, which only serves Texas.

Texas is one of the few US states to have an independent energy grid - so when the cold snap hit and power was in short supply, they were unable to receive support from neighbouring states.

As a result, the Public Utility Commission of Texas decided at an emergency meeting last Monday to raise the price of energy.

This change has not affected people on fixed-rate payment plans for their power. However, people on variable-rate tariffs - which can work out cheaper in the short-term, when weather conditions are consistent - have been hit hard by the increase and are now facing soaring costs.
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Post by pErvinalia » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:43 am

Should have set up their own power grid.
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Post by Sean Hayden » Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:13 pm

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Re: You reap what you sow, unless you're a socialist.

Post by JimC » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:50 pm

Emigrate to Oz! :{D
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