What is feminism? PZ rape thread derail

[Seth]

Um, the sexes will never be "equal" because they have different functions in life and different plumbing. That's simply a biological fact.

Difference =/= inequality.

Sure it does. I can never give birth to a baby. That's inequality based on difference.

[klr]

When I did my undergraduate degree from 1992-1995 I studied English Literature and Classical Civilisation. At that time, the English Department was run and almost exclusively populated by people who self-identified as radical lesbian feminists. There was a core (obligatory) module on feminist reading, but in fact, there was no element of the course that was not shot through with the politics of the sexes.

Even then, the canard that "All men are rapists" and the extreme exhortations that we see from the Apelusters and their fellow travellers were all par for the course.

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Bloody hell. Am I glad I had no direct contact with that lot back then.

[Pappa]

When I did my undergraduate degree from 1992-1995 I studied English Literature and Classical Civilisation. At that time, the English Department was run and almost exclusively populated by people who self-identified as radical lesbian feminists. There was a core (obligatory) module on feminist reading, but in fact, there was no element of the course that was not shot through with the politics of the sexes.

Even then, the canard that "All men are rapists" and the extreme exhortations that we see from the Apelusters and their fellow travellers were all par for the course.

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Bloody hell. Am I glad I had no direct contact with that lot back then.

Somebody else (possibly Audley) said much the same as Cormac a while ago.

[Robert_S]

When I did my undergraduate degree from 1992-1995 I studied English Literature and Classical Civilisation. At that time, the English Department was run and almost exclusively populated by people who self-identified as radical lesbian feminists. There was a core (obligatory) module on feminist reading, but in fact, there was no element of the course that was not shot through with the politics of the sexes.

Even then, the canard that "All men are rapists" and the extreme exhortations that we see from the Apelusters and their fellow travellers were all par for the course.

I'm not sure that feminism can be solely or even at all described as being about equality.

It seems to me that humanism is about equality.

I know that most people who support equality interpret feminism as being a movement or an attitude in support of equality. But the intellectual leadership and the activists of feminism, and therefore those who articulate the ideology see it differently. So, when many people hear the word feminism today, they interpret it in light of this different ideology.

I'm a humanist. I believe that men and women should have equity and equality in society. Of course, this is more easily said than defined.

The worst I got was the view that gender is entirely a construct presented as an unquestionable fact plus a few bits of typical lit-crit overreach.

[Thinking Aloud]

Maybe this topic should be split off into its own thread?

Please?

It was much more interesting when it was gossip.

[Audley Strange]

When I did my undergraduate degree from 1992-1995 I studied English Literature and Classical Civilisation. At that time, the English Department was run and almost exclusively populated by people who self-identified as radical lesbian feminists. There was a core (obligatory) module on feminist reading, but in fact, there was no element of the course that was not shot through with the politics of the sexes.

Even then, the canard that "All men are rapists" and the extreme exhortations that we see from the Apelusters and their fellow travellers were all par for the course.

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Bloody hell. Am I glad I had no direct contact with that lot back then.

Somebody else (possibly Audley) said much the same as Cormac a while ago.

In my case it was in Ethics, Sociology and Psychology classes, such were part of my nursing training but my college was a separate entity to the University where these classes were held I found a marked difference between the attitude of "bloody students" and the majority of our own college, who were primarily young women of the same age. I guess when you actually have to work towards a degree you don't have much time or energy to put the world to rights between pints of snakebite.

[hadespussercats]

What is it, and what does it taste like? Seriously?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

It's kind of chintzy, with ribbons and flourishes. There's a lot of taffeta too - some might say too much taffeta. And I am not fond of the scent - too heavy on the sandalwood.

It moves in a peculiar way, sort of lurching on wheels that are too small for its axles and its bearings squeak going round corners. It only speaks Jamaican patois, which can be problematical - especially when you factor in its lisp.

There is an upgrade due, I hear, perhaps they will fix the intermittent flouncing problem - but I'm not holding my breath.

[Bella Fortuna]

Mmmm, the taste of fem......

[hadespussercats]

hmm. mmaybe did something wrong. will fix...

[hadespussercats]

All right, I think that's it. Will move to proper forum now...

[Svartalf]

Dammit, as part of the other thread it was tl:dr, now it's lots of work to read anyway.

[DaveDodo007]

I think Judgybitch goes too far in the other direction sometimes but at least this article with links shows how feminism is a white middle class mean girls club.

http://judgybitch.com/2013/08/26/silly- ... te-babies/

[Bella Fortuna]

[Audley Strange]

solidarityisforwhitewomen?

Mean, unfair but right on the fucking money. I recall reading something a while ago where some loon was trying to encourage atheism to be more inclusive of black people (or POC, seriously we're back to that?) but their "things to lure credibility meat" were all so stereotypical of "black" affected by gang culture n drugs etc that it became obvious that while their intentions might have been good, they are fucking clueless. Thery're the type that rail and shout for equality and shit themselves when immigrants move into their suburban neighbourhoods. I wonder how many of them would be comfortable losing their whinespace to let the real Black or Hispanic or Asian communities speak?

As Adam once said "Down below your dandy clothes you're just a shade too white."