Global Warming Update: Hell Freezes Over!

[pErvinalia]

MM
hmmm someone that laughs at their own purported jokes needs serious help......but then we knew that.

God, your posts get dumber and dumber. If it's not copied and pasted, it's moronic.
Why don't you read what you comment on?

Perhaps you should tell rEv that he needs serious help. As you get on so well together.

We're not the ones who think science is a giant conspiracy.

[macdoc]

oooooh got under mm's thin skin.

[subversive science]

It points out the fact that hysterical overreaction driven by a lust for power and control by the powers that be who are using AGW as a launcher for massive socialist redistribution of wealth and centralization of power in a one-world government has absolutely nothing whatever to do with AGW...

I'm not the one spewing paranoid nonsense.

[subversive science]

It points out the fact that hysterical overreaction driven by a lust for power and control by the powers that be who are using AGW as a launcher for massive socialist redistribution of wealth and centralization of power in a one-world government has absolutely nothing whatever to do with AGW...

Typical Marxist evasion tactic there...

I think he was just expressing his personal eye-rolling disdain to the sort of witless clichéd calumnies and slathering hyperbole that suffices for reasoned discourse in some impoverished quarters.

[macdoc]

[Seth]

We're not talking about "half a degree", Seth.

That's the Warmist mantra. In reality global temperatures have been much higher and much lower than anything experienced in recorded history, and yet life continues to flourish.

It's a shame you don't actually listen and learn in any of these discussions.

If there were anything worth learning, I would. Problem is it's mostly hyperbolic hysterical nonsense that's being foisted off on the lumpen proletariat by those in power who want more power and control who are using the useful idiots of climate science as their stalking horses.

\ We've been over this all before. Ecosystems can't just pick up and move.

Strange, given an earlier post in which someone claimed that fish have done exactly that. Oh, and then there's the birds, who are foraging farther north than before. It seems that the "ecosystem" isn't nearly as fragile as the useful idiots who pander to the IPCC so they can get funding so they won't perish would like us to believe it is.

Infrastructure can't just pick up and move.

Sucks to be infrastructure doesn't it? I guess we'll just have to build new infrastructure...or adapt the infrastructure we have now to the changing climate.

Even if we put aside the ecosystem cost, the cost to economies is going to be trillions of dollars.

So you say. Unfortunately the last now-17 years of no increase in global temperature doesn't really support your assertion. But let's suppose arguendo that it does. From what I hear, according to the useful idiots of climate science the CO2 we've allegedly "pumped into the atmosphere" that's causing all the panic is already there, and it's going to be there for the next 150 to 200 years no matter what we do. If we suddenly ceased producing CO2 worldwide tomorrow, according to the Warmist alarmists we will be facing whatever is going to happen for the next two centuries.

Therefore, it makes no sense to panic over it, because whatever it is will come, so we had best focus our attention and our economic plans on adapting to the coming change, if in fact any significant change is coming at all, which is anything but certain. But again arguendo let us presume there are going to be significant environmental impacts from AGW like more severe hurricanes and tornados and a rising sea level. What do we need on a global basis to adapt to just one of those impacts; rising seal levels? It doesn't take whole continents of people being reduced to pre-industrial penury and economic ruin, it requires the most robust and growing world economy we can create in order to provide the necessary wealth and technology to deal with the impacts of an ultimate 20 meter rise in sea levels. It requires massive and reliable energy sources that can facilitate the industry needed to shift infrastructure 30 meters higher than it currently is or to protect infrastructure that will be 20 meters underwater...in 200 years.

And let's use the "climate change" rubric and predict the opposite, global cooling and ice-age style glaciation. That requires even more viable energy resources and infrastructure to allow populations to survive in a colder climate.

So, if what you say is true, then the critical need right now is not to shut down the extraction and exploitation of mineral energy resources like natural gas and coal, it's exactly the opposite. We should be mining every single coal field we can manage to mine and we should be stockpiling it in southern Texas in anticipation of glaciation conditions that render it impossible to mine coal or extract natural gas in the event of a glaciation period.

And if it's going the other way? Well, we're going to need that energy for air-conditioning and crop production because wind power and solar power ain't going to cut it, ever. All sources of renewable energy make up only two percent of our energy budget and it's never, ever going to provide enough power to keep a technological society, which is the ONLY hope for mankind to adapt to radical climate change in either direction, operating.

You want to be "green," then fucking go live in central Africa somewhere, where they don't have electrical power at all, and grub for food in the ground with a pointy stick. Then, and only then will I give your asinine complaints any serious consideration. But as long as you're typing your thoughts into a computer and transmitting them over a global digital network that was built by and is sustained by carbon-based energy production every one of you Warmist hypocrites have no standing to bitch about anything.

A staggering impost on economies just to "adapt" as you call it.

According to the Warmists, as I point out above, we're going to have to adapt like it or not, so let's get the fuck on with it and quit straining at gnats and ignoring the trees.

A far more sensible idea would be to transition economies to a more sustainable and greener energy base

Sorry, no such thing on offer, or on the horizon I'm afraid. You want a "green" lifestyle, I challenge you to turn off your computer, have your electrical service disconnected, throw away your cell phone and start living like the indigenous people did a thousand years ago. Have fun with that, but I'm not interested in that lifestyle.

and then lose no economic growth, and save all that trillions of dollars and human suffering and misery. But I understand that's all too complicated for you to understand. It's easier to just bleat idiotic slogans like "adapt or die" over and over again.

You're all talk and no action. You spout platitudes and engage in wishful thinking about things that don't exist and will never be able to support a technological society without any understanding at all of what the consequences of your Ludditism actually are or how many people will suffer and die in the short term if technology is interrupted for as little as one month.

The US government just admitted that gasoline and diesel powered motor vehicles will be with us as a necessity for at least the next 40 years, and they can't actually point to any viable replacement technology on the horizon. It's all hopeful speculation and unicorn farts. You have no plan, just dogmatic idealism and a closed mind that you seem to think will solve the problems we might face. Until you DO have a viable, and affordable plan, I suggest you, and all the other useful idiots of climate science, and all the politicians just shut the fuck up and let the rest of us get on with adapting to climate change, anthropogenically caused or otherwise, because that's what humanity...and every other living organism on earth does: we adapt or we die.

As it happens I'm fine with playing golf in my Bermuda shorts in Yellowknife in January if that's what's coming.

[Seth]

MM
hmmm someone that laughs at their own purported jokes needs serious help......but then we knew that.

God, your posts get dumber and dumber. If it's not copied and pasted, it's moronic.
Why don't you read what you comment on?

Perhaps you should tell rEv that he needs serious help. As you get on so well together.

We're not the ones who think science is a giant conspiracy.

Er, it's not science that's the giant conspiracy, it's what the Warmists and One-Worlder's are misstating and misusing science for that's the giant conspiracy involved.

[mistermack]

oooooh got under mm's thin skin.

If you just had to post something stupid, to get under my skin, you'd spend your life under there.

I don't know what to suggest. I criticised you for just copying and pasting, but when you actually write your own words, it always comes out stupid.

I suppose, all I can suggest is that you ask an adult to help you when you write a post.

[pErvinalia]

MM
hmmm someone that laughs at their own purported jokes needs serious help......but then we knew that.

God, your posts get dumber and dumber. If it's not copied and pasted, it's moronic.
Why don't you read what you comment on?

Perhaps you should tell rEv that he needs serious help. As you get on so well together.

We're not the ones who think science is a giant conspiracy.

Er, it's not science that's the giant conspiracy, it's what the Warmists and One-Worlder's are misstating and misusing science for that's the giant conspiracy involved.

Sure it is Seth. Look out! There's a Marxists creeping up behind you...

[pErvinalia]

oooooh got under mm's thin skin.

If you just had to post something stupid, to get under my skin, you'd spend your life under there.

I don't know what to suggest. I criticised you for just copying and pasting, but when you actually write your own words, it always comes out stupid.

I suppose, all I can suggest is that you ask an adult to help you when you write a post.

Ironic coming from someone who doesn't understand what the rest of the adults are talking about. It's called "science". It's a grown up discipline. You'd do well to learn some of it.

[macdoc]

Hmmmmm ....Can't get the climate science correct and takes someone with a degree in literature to task for writing skills......
living in a flawed reality there MM????
....maybe some remedial reading comprehension courses would help....let alone a basic science course or two.

[mistermack]

Hmmmmm ....Can't get the climate science correct and takes someone with a degree in literature to task for writing skills......
living in a flawed reality there MM????
....maybe some remedial reading comprehension courses would help....let alone a basic science course or two.

For fuck's sake. Flaunting a degree in literature on a science thread is about as dumb as it gets.
I know nothing of your writing skills. I just pointed out the lack of any understanding displayed in the content.
Doesn't a degree in literature involve ANY kind of comprehension requirement?
Or was it mail-order?

[macdoc]

Oh is it irrelevant?? - you brought up the subject of writing skills- something you clearly know little about.
Communication is paramount but comprehension is critical.....try both ....might improve your digestion
....if not your judgement which apparently is permanently impaired.

Mail order degrees are for the clowns you follow on climate change....if they even bother.....they just cash their fossil fuel industry payments to lie and distort and you swallow it all....as I was saying, observed poor judgement on rather simple concepts.

Meanwhile back on the warming planet earth.....2013 saw some improvements....

2013 review: The year in environment

09:00 20 December 2013 by Michael Marshall and Catherine Brahic
For similar stories, visit the Climate Change Topic Guide
Read more: "2014 preview: 10 ideas that will matter next year"

Don't stop at the bad news. Behind the usual headlines about rising greenhouse gas emissions and mostly stalled United Nations negotiations, this was a remarkable year.

For the first time, there were signs that the rise in our carbon emissions may be slowing. The underlying causes seem to be better, more efficient use of energy, and a shifting power supply – mostly towards gas. But we also learned this year that renewable sources of power are growing faster than all other sources including coal.

We are not out of the woods, not by a long shot. Some long-standing fears are becoming a reality – the devastating storm surge from Typhoon Haiyan was magnified by the rising seas, for example. But we are beginning to see the effects of the limited action on climate that governments and people have taken so far.

Here is a selection of the most important, fascinating or simply mind-boggling environment stories of the year.

A second chance to save the climate
The latest data on the climate suggests it will warm slightly less, and more slowly, than expected – giving us a chance to avoid the worst effects.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... imate.html

First sign that humanity is slowing its carbon surge
The ever-faster rise of carbon emissions worldwide slackened in 2012 – and that might signal a lasting trend. Unlike the drop in emissions triggered by the 2008 recession, the let-off is happening at the same time as global wealth continues to swell.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... rWmD3lIn3w

Rise of renewable starts climate-change fightback
Green energy is growing faster than any other power source, and is poised to overtake gas within three years. Major changes in policy are still needed to avoid tipping over the 2 °C threshold that constitutes dangerous global warming.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... tback.html

Terraforming Earth: Geoengineering megaplan starts now
Despite all this good news, geoengineering on a giant scale may be needed to avoid the worst effects of climate change. We can now sketch out the basics of this world industry and where it would operate.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... rWmSHlIn3w

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... rWllHlIn3w

[Seth]

MM
hmmm someone that laughs at their own purported jokes needs serious help......but then we knew that.

God, your posts get dumber and dumber. If it's not copied and pasted, it's moronic.
Why don't you read what you comment on?

Perhaps you should tell rEv that he needs serious help. As you get on so well together.

We're not the ones who think science is a giant conspiracy.

Er, it's not science that's the giant conspiracy, it's what the Warmists and One-Worlder's are misstating and misusing science for that's the giant conspiracy involved.

Sure it is Seth. Look out! There's a Marxists creeping up behind you...

It's not "a" Marxist, it's "many" Marxists. The good news is that I see them and will respond appropriately when the time is right.

[mistermack]

Oh is it irrelevant?? - you brought up the subject of writing skills- something you clearly know little about.

To be honest, I have grave doubts about your claimed qualification.
In fact, I have doubts that you're old enough. You converse like a schoolboy.
I said that your post was stupid, and you seem to thing that's to do with your writing skills.
No, it's to do with your post, and your silly remark about the use of a .
If you don't know the difference, you really don't know much at all.
How old are you, really?