Tolerate the Christian right ... WHY ?

[Feck]

Sorry When I was 11 I was impressed with Heinlein ... mind you I also tried to read L-Ron's stuff too ! Job and Friday are the best books R H wrote most of the others are bullshit and might as well be called 'Atlas Shagged '

[Schneibster]

If you haven't read the long version of SIASL then you completely missed the best thing he ever wrote; the short version is a caponized piece of shit. It's worth it far beyond 11 (though I admit not much else is).

Heinlein was a pretty good prognosticator, less good at political science. But he knew his fundies. You can't hardly avoid it in the US.

The Brits got rid of 'em after the Restoration, and we been stuck with 'em ever since. Most US citizens don't know who Cromwell was, what the Restoration was, or who the Puritans were. The fundies got it taken out of the history books so they could do the kind of shit the Dominionists are trying to do right now, without anyone noticing. The US Constitution, however, was written by people who very well understood the risk, whose parents and grandparents remembered Cromwell personally, and who deliberately went about making it as difficult as possible to establish a theocracy here.

In other words, it's happened before.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

[Feck]

If you haven't read the long version of SIASL then you completely missed the best thing he ever wrote; the short version is a caponized piece of shit. It's worth it far beyond 11 (though I admit not much else is).

Heinlein was a pretty good prognosticator, less good at political science. But he knew his fundies.

Aye

[Svartalf]

Hey, I want to insert my penetration agent in the military too, at least the cute female personnel.

[Schneibster]

No, no, no, you want to be the penetration agent &c. What you're referring to as a "penetration agent" is generally called a "penis." I think... this board's a bit wild.

[Svartalf]

well, I'm not an agent for the chretin loonies that for sure, the pope has yet to offer me the cardinal hat.

[wittywoman]

I'm starting to get worried (low level, but no joke). We will need to implement a modern Underground Railroad to get our 'merkan FRAs into Canada, if one of those !@#$%& ?+§£{!!s starts to look like they are getting elected.

My wife and I actually shook hands and promised to leave the country if Sarah Palin were ever elected President by a majority or voters. The same would apply to Bachmann and, as far as I can tell, perhaps Perry.

Maybe the UK or Australia would have us. I doubt we'd move to Canada - it's too damn cold.

Come to the UK! It's easier to get to meets!

[wittywoman]

Yes it does. By believing in Jehovah or Jesus one believes that there is a Ultimate Authority who is in charge of everything. Oh they might pretend to support the idea of democracy but they would turn in a second given a charismatic political leader with some cash moxy and major media support the U.S. would be burning witches again within the fortnight.

If you want my respect, you will have to think for yourself... not just take a thought from the air and run with it.


just because I believe there is an ultimate authority, does not mean that ultimate authority is ME. Do some research into what the Christ taught, instead of what greedy, power hungry peple have decided to say he taught, before you say such nonsense, please.

[wittywoman]

Sorry When I was 11 I was impressed with Heinlein ... mind you I also tried to read L-Ron's stuff too ! Job and Friday are the best books R H wrote most of the others are bullshit and might as well be called 'Atlas Shagged '

nope. Star Beast his best book. After he 'grew up' he became too much a social commentor/philosopher.

Hubbart wrote something , i believe, that goes sumting like: If you want to become wealthy start your own busines; if you want to become filthy rich, start a religion.

But Battle Field Earth still a good book

[Feck]

OOOH We should learn what Christ taught .......... Question do you mean what Paul taught or what Jesus probably taught ? sorry but Christ's teachings Have nothing to do with Me . Read learn and accept The Jewish Nationalist that Christ was Had NOTHING to say to me Just as his family had NOTHING to say to PAUL .

[Svartalf]

nope. Star Beast his best book. After he 'grew up' he became too much a social commentor/philosopher.

Hubbart wrote something , i believe, that goes sumting like: If you want to become wealthy start your own busines; if you want to become filthy rich, start a religion.

But Battle Field Earth still a good book

I liked Star Beast when I was 12. Reading it again as an adult and in the original was a serious disappointment. (then again, re reading many RH books with the advantage of some maturity and wider knowledge of SF as opposed to the young noobs "ZOMG, it's by **** so it has to be great" attitude proved to be a more frequent disappointment that I'd have liked). He HAS written some books that withstood the test, and others which may still have received more indulgence than they actually deserved... just they are not a crushing majority of his work. Actually, there are days when I wonder if most of his works are not "young readers" stuff, simplistic and geared to appeal to the adolescent rather than the mature mind... and yep, that does include his excessive fondness for sex... then again, I've classified some authors as crappy because of extreme, gratuitous, and abusive introduction of sex in books that have no business being porn... the sex being bad and generally not seriously interesting/stimulating may have to do with it too... if there's one thing that's worse than gratuitous sex, it's badly written gratuitous sex.

Porn is its own genre for good reason... and several hundred pages of softporn interspersed with mindless, reference driven "adventure", like number of the beast, do not a decent book make, let alone a good one.

and LRH is most likely the very worst SF writer ever, I tried a few volumes of his fiction, could never finish one.

[Feck]

LRH LOL I tried I really did but it's gobshite !

[Hermit]

By believing in Jehovah or Jesus one believes that there is a Ultimate Authority who is in charge of everything. Oh they might pretend to support the idea of democracy but they would turn in a second given a charismatic political leader with some cash moxy and major media support the U.S. would be burning witches again within the fortnight.

Do some research into what the Christ taught, instead of what greedy, power hungry peple have decided to say he taught

Perhaps you might have a look at the thread's title. It's not about "what the Christ taught". It's about "why should we tolerate the christian right". Audley Strange is not talking nonsense. His post is relevant to the topic. Yours is not.

[Audley Strange]

Yes it does. By believing in Jehovah or Jesus one believes that there is a Ultimate Authority who is in charge of everything. Oh they might pretend to support the idea of democracy but they would turn in a second given a charismatic political leader with some cash moxy and major media support the U.S. would be burning witches again within the fortnight.

If you want my respect, you will have to think for yourself... not just take a thought from the air and run with it.


just because I believe there is an ultimate authority, does not mean that ultimate authority is ME. Do some research into what the Christ taught, instead of what greedy, power hungry peple have decided to say he taught, before you say such nonsense, please.

Well since you jumped to conclusions without reading on and assume that my self confessed hyperbole (for effect considering the over-exaggerated hysteria with regards to other pernicious ideologies) was genuine. AND to assume because of that that I am ignorant of the Synoptic, Canonical and Apocryphal blatherings of Yahweh Junior and his little cult evinces to me that your respect is about as useful and valueable to me as Gonorrhea would be.

[Feck]

She's so full of shit it's unbelievable. She claims that this writer (I can't discern his name) "was the first to..." and then gives a long list of things that come directly out of history, like biblical inerrancy and a "Christian world view." It's utter nonsense and she has no credible information to prove that anything she's concocted is other than a fringe idea put forth by some writer or that it has any "influence" at all, much less "substantial influence" on American politics.

It's pure fearmongering mendacity.

There is no evidence whatsoever that any of the current presidential candidates are interested in creating a Christian "dominionist" theocracy even if they could, which they can't.

Just because someone happens to believe in Jesus, like Barack Obama does, doesn't mean they are closet theocrats.

What a maroon!

OK I guess you will be voting for Perry and The NAR when the time comes as I have always suspected YOU Are a Christian right up to the point the collection plate lands on your lap ... I've said it before your views and opinions are welcome on Rapture Ready ......