Revolt over Full Body Scans and Pat Downs at Airports

[Coito ergo sum]

I can not believe that I agree with everything you have said Coito. I am all for full body scans and pat downs, I have had the pat downs multiple times and it is always a female agent who does it and they are always professional and courteous.

See....I'm not that bad....

[Xamonas Chegwé]

I can not believe that I agree with everything you have said Coito. I am all for full body scans and pat downs, I have had the pat downs multiple times and it is always a female agent who does it and they are always professional and courteous.

... and gay as Mamma Mia.

[drl2]

That looks just like the alien who abducted me and subjected me to repeated anal probes!

Seriously though (... alright, only slightly seriously), how did you get a copy of your scan? Do they sell them at a gift shop afterward, like those amusement park pictures of your face flapping in the wind while you ride a roller coaster? And how much more fun would those pictures be if you rode the roller coaster naked? Flappitty-flappity-flappity. (Or would it be fappitty-fappitty-fappitty? Could there be such thing as a Wind Job?)

What was this thread about again?

[Coito ergo sum]

I can not believe that I agree with everything you have said Coito. I am all for full body scans and pat downs, I have had the pat downs multiple times and it is always a female agent who does it and they are always professional and courteous.

... and gay as Mamma Mia.

...it's fine if they're lipstick lesbians.

[Warren Dew]

On the surface, however, something about this seems unlikely. He pulled her blouse down so that it exposed her breasts? What kind of blouse was this? Most blouses have buttons and stuff and cant just be pulled straight down and out pop the breasts.... and what do they mean about exposed breasts? Were the breasts all the way out, or was it a partial exposure of the breasts?

I'm pretty sure this blouse would come down pretty easily:



Google "tube blouse" and you can find a lot more like it.

Given the millions that travel every year, I'd actually be surprised if there weren't incidents like this happening pretty regularly. A lawsuit and some firings might get the TSA folks to be a little more careful.

[Coito ergo sum]

On the surface, however, something about this seems unlikely. He pulled her blouse down so that it exposed her breasts? What kind of blouse was this? Most blouses have buttons and stuff and cant just be pulled straight down and out pop the breasts.... and what do they mean about exposed breasts? Were the breasts all the way out, or was it a partial exposure of the breasts?

I'm pretty sure this blouse would come down pretty easily:



Google "tube blouse" and you can find a lot more like it.

Given the millions that travel every year, I'd actually be surprised if there weren't incidents like this happening pretty regularly. A lawsuit and some firings might get the TSA folks to be a little more careful.

I suppose - I would not be surprised if an accident happened, but I would be surprised if someone brazenly did it on purpose and then everyone just callously pointed and laughed and ridiculed her. Stranger things have happened, of course, but I wonder what sort of corroborating testimony she has.

[Feck]

I support full-body scans to the extent that they might allow me to keep my boots on. Takes fucking forever to put the damned things back on and all the seats are usually taken by lazy sods with slip-on footwear. If we're going to continue this shoes off bullshit, there needs to be a designated seating area for those who have footwear to put back on, forfeited the moment the job is done.

[Feck]

Mind you it's funny because perceived security and real security are different things .

[Animavore]

I wish they'd get the scanners over here.
I can't abide people touching me or violating me in anyway. They know they have power over you and there's fuck all you can do about it and that drives me insane.
Probably got bullied in school, the pricks.

[lordpasternack]

I've been through scanners, patted down, had the padlock on my suitcase broken off and my luggage at least sniffed... SO FUCKING WHAT?

I'm more annoyed by the liquid restrictions (which aren't actually all that defensible, when you get down to the science of it), and the worry about putting certain items in certain boxes for going through the luggage scanner and whatnot, when I'm tired and dazed during long-haul flying. Oh, and the possibility of "accidents" during potentional pat downs. I was patted down after being scanned in Singapore on the way back from Australia, just after the fly button came off my trousers, and I'd abashedly picked it back up from the ground. It goes without saying that my belt was also off at that time. Things could have got a bit undignified.

And yet another relevant strip from XKCD:

[eXcommunicate]

It's appalling how much bodily freedom and privacy you guys are willing to give away for "security" that is truly an illusion. None of these procedures will prevent a bomb from getting into the cargo hold. And what if terrorists start hiding bombs up their asses, would you then advocate your children and loved ones receive body cavity searches from rubber-gloved mouth-breathers before they board an air plane? Perhaps everyone should be chained to their seats in-flight, catheterized, and administered a sedative for the duration of the flight... for your safety. A backscatter scan or pubic hair sniffer won't prevent a terrorist from blowing himself up at the mall this coming Black Friday, or from blowing himself up IN LINE at the airport before he's even screened.



The shoe bomber was not stopped by the TSA. The shoe bomber was stopped by alert and courageous passengers. The new fortified cockpits and vigilant passengers are the best weapons we have against another 9/11. Everything else, so far, has been window dressing. Terrorists don't even have to attempt to stage another 9/11 style attack, when we waste billions of USD on useless procedures that are more designed to catch contraband and placate law abiding citizens than to prevent a psycho from hijacking the plane.

[Animavore]

Personally I feel like cattle going through security. Or maybe a line of eastern european hookers being examined by seedy punters. And it's not about 'touching junk'. its being touched at all.
I've never liked groups who enforce their will through their strength, numbers or weapons, be it bouncers, security, police, army, armed robbers, extortionist thugs or terrorists. we only need the former group because the latter group exist.
it's one of those things about people i've never understood. i've never felt the need to push, demand, order or coerce.
in my utopia none of the above exist :sighsm:

[Trolldor]

What freedom is being given up?

[DRSB]

An interview with a security consultant:

"Is this security theater?
100 percent. It won't catch anybody."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ext ... -imaginary

[eXcommunicate]

What freedom is being given up?

How about the Constitutional right to unreasonable search, seizure, and the implied right to privacy?

I realize that we're on Ratz, where members post photos of their fiddly bits for all to see, but some of you seem pretty keen on giving the government the right to do just about anything they well please to your body in the name of "security." How far are you willing to go here?

An interview with a security consultant:

"Is this security theater?
100 percent. It won't catch anybody."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ext ... -imaginary

FTA:

The machines have shown up in the wake of the so-called underwear bomber, who tried to blow up a plane with chemicals stored in his briefs. Would this technology have stopped him?
The guys who make the machines have said, "We wouldn't have caught that."

Do you think there's been an over-reaction, on the part of the government and the press, to the underwear bomber?
That case was really instructive. Nobody was injured, and the plane landed safely. It was a success! And it was pre 9-11 security that made it a success. Because we screen for superficial guns and bombs, he had to resort to a syringe and 90 minutes in the bathroom with a bomb that didn't work.