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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:33 pm

. . . only the dinosaurs with beaks survived the mass extinction?
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Post by devogue » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:38 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:. . . only the dinosaurs with beaks survived the mass extinction?
They could peck the fuck out of asteroids? :dono:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:39 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote:. . . only the dinosaurs with beaks survived the mass extinction?
They could peck the fuck out of asteroids? :dono:
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Post by Animavore » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:43 pm

Not correct. Triceratops had beaks and thy were fucked.
The ones that would later become birds did not have beaks at time of mass extinction.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:45 pm

Animavore wrote:Not correct. Triceratops had beaks and thy were fucked.
I didn't say all beaked dinosaurs survived.
The ones that would later become birds did not have beaks at time of mass extinction.
Which ones, please? I'm trying to sort this out.
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Post by Animavore » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:47 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:Not correct. Triceratops had beaks and thy were fucked.
I didn't say all beaked dinosaurs survived.
The ones that would later become birds did not have beaks at time of mass extinction.
Which ones, please? I'm trying to sort this out.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:53 pm

Excellent starting point! :tup: Any studies of other kinds of creatures that survived with an eye toward comparative brain size? Or was it just the dino branch of life that had that feature? (I hope that wasn't too babbleicous.)
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Post by Animavore » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:00 pm

The book I have just describes the fossil record and gives no insight into why they survived. This book is more about the tree of life and shows the intermediaries between ancient and modern types. Quite detailed it is too but it doesn't stray out of palaeontology. It stays on topic throughout.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:03 pm

Animavore wrote:The book I have just describes the fossil record and gives no insight into why they survived. This book is more about the tree of life and shows the intermediaries between ancient and modern types. Quite detailed it is too but it doesn't stray out of palaeontology. It stays on topic throughout.

Sorry.
Feck's article gives an opinion on the dinos, but I'm still looking to see if the "rule" applies across the board for the K-T event. If relative brain size is the key for the dinos would it apply to other types of animals? If not, does it really apply to dinos?
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Post by devogue » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:04 pm

Interesting.

I thought it was just a given. :eddy:

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Post by Animavore » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:08 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:The book I have just describes the fossil record and gives no insight into why they survived. This book is more about the tree of life and shows the intermediaries between ancient and modern types. Quite detailed it is too but it doesn't stray out of palaeontology. It stays on topic throughout.

Sorry.
Feck's article gives an opinion on the dinos, but I'm still looking to see if the "rule" applies across the board for the K-T event. If relative brain size is the key for the dinos would it apply to other types of animals? If not, does it really apply to dinos?
It could be size and warm bloodedness either. I did once read speculation that mammals because they were small and could sustain themselves on grubs and insects and such through the darkness following the aftermath and cold.
The dinosaurs that became birds already had feathers which could have insulated them and I know some of them were quite small like chickens. They may even have had warm blood already at this stage. Fossils can never tell us things like that.
Ok the part about the avian dinosaurs is totally me speculating but if they can do it so can I.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:11 pm

Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:The book I have just describes the fossil record and gives no insight into why they survived. This book is more about the tree of life and shows the intermediaries between ancient and modern types. Quite detailed it is too but it doesn't stray out of palaeontology. It stays on topic throughout.

Sorry.
Feck's article gives an opinion on the dinos, but I'm still looking to see if the "rule" applies across the board for the K-T event. If relative brain size is the key for the dinos would it apply to other types of animals? If not, does it really apply to dinos?
It could be size and warm bloodedness either. I did once read speculation that mammals because they were small and could sustain themselves on grubs and insects and such through the darkness following the aftermath and cold.
The dinosaurs that became birds already had feathers which could have insulated them and I know some of them were quite small like chickens. They may even have had warm blood already at this stage. Fossils can never tell us things like that.
Ok the part about the avian dinosaurs is totally me speculating but if they can do it so can I.
Alligators and turtles survived. Coelocanth (sp?) survived. Warm-blood would have helped, but it's not the only type to survive. (Just rambling here, thinking out loud.)
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Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Animavore wrote:The book I have just describes the fossil record and gives no insight into why they survived. This book is more about the tree of life and shows the intermediaries between ancient and modern types. Quite detailed it is too but it doesn't stray out of palaeontology. It stays on topic throughout.

Sorry.
Feck's article gives an opinion on the dinos, but I'm still looking to see if the "rule" applies across the board for the K-T event. If relative brain size is the key for the dinos would it apply to other types of animals? If not, does it really apply to dinos?
It could be size and warm bloodedness either. I did once read speculation that mammals because they were small and could sustain themselves on grubs and insects and such through the darkness following the aftermath and cold.
The dinosaurs that became birds already had feathers which could have insulated them and I know some of them were quite small like chickens. They may even have had warm blood already at this stage. Fossils can never tell us things like that.
Ok the part about the avian dinosaurs is totally me speculating but if they can do it so can I.
Alligators and turtles survived. Coelocanth (sp?) survived. Warm-blood would have helped, but it's not the only type to survive. (Just rambling here, thinking out loud.)
Turtles live in the sea it may have been warmer there. Not sure about alligators unless they moved into deltas.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:18 pm

Animavore wrote:Turtles live in the sea it may have been warmer there. Not sure about alligators unless they moved into deltas.
Sea life would have an advantage in the K-T event, I think. The big gators only need to feed once a year, so they could have taken the odd survivor and maintained on that while the mess was sorting itself out.
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