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Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:35 pm

Now that a respectable time has elapsed since the founder and leader of Apple Corp, Steve Jobs has died, and thousands of eulogies and obituaries have praised him for his genius, it may be time to look at the flip side. The most telling way to do that is to look at the company he founded and directed. The New York Times did just that a few days ago in a lengthy article (over 5200 words) that is well worth reading.

In short, the sensational ratio between turnover and profit* is achieved by squeezing the fuck out of their suppliers' margins to the extent that they are forced to cut corners in terms of safety and squeeze the fuck out of their workers in turn, while paying no more than lip service about the ordinary and extraordinary atrocities that ensue.

The view by one Apple executive, expressed in the last paragraph of the NYT's article, is absolutely chilling:

  • “You can either manufacture in comfortable, worker-friendly factories, or you can reinvent the product every year, and make it better and faster and cheaper, which requires factories that seem harsh by American standards,” said a current Apple executive. “And right now, customers care more about a new iPhone than working conditions in China.”


In other words, going by how Apple does what it does, Steve Jobs was (despite of, or perhaps with help of his buddhism) an utter cunt, and we are his enablers.


*In the latest reported quarter $13.06 billion of a turnover of $46.3 billion in sales was posted as the profit. That is a rate of over 28%. CEOs and shareholders of almost all other companies would jizz in their pants if theirs exceeded 5%.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:43 pm

Gee, Apple Corp. fucked people over. Who knew. :coffee:

I wonder if Apple would have survived at all if Bill Gates had been less of a dick?
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Post by klr » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:48 pm

I've posted it before after Steve Jobs died, but it's even more appropriate here:

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Post by Rum » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:51 pm

I recently read Job's biography. Frankly he came over as a pretty dreadful human bing.

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Post by Pappa » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:53 pm

Sadly, that's how almost everything is manufactured now. Even unbranded goods.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:54 pm

And that's why the world economy is in the shitter.
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Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:04 pm

Pappa wrote:Sadly, that's how almost everything is manufactured now. Even unbranded goods.
Yes, but not on this scale and not while the prime contractor is creaming off 28% of the total turnover as profit. The latter is what outrages me the most. How can the shareholders sleep knowing at what price their lovely, fat dividends came about?
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Post by Hermit » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:05 pm

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Pappa wrote:Sadly, that's how almost everything is manufactured now. Even unbranded goods.
Yes, but not on this scale and not while the prime contractor is creaming off 28% of the total turnover as profit. The latter is what outrages me the most. How can the shareholders sleep knowing at what price their lovely, fat dividends came about?
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:44 pm

Guess Apple are just "better" at capitalism than most.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Guess Apple are just "better" at rapacious, selfish, out of control capitalism than most.
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Post by maiforpeace » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:59 pm

Rum wrote:I recently read Job's biography. Frankly he came over as a pretty dreadful human bing.
He was one...I have personal experience. I waited on him as a customer when I was a waitress for the Good Earth Restaurant in Cupertino. Even though Apple already had office space they would come in and tie up several premium booths during the lunch rush and sit there for hours, finally leaving after the rush was over, leaving insultingly tiny tips. He would prop his stinky, sandaled feet on the edge of the booth, right under our noses as we served his highness his tostada "substitute this, substitute that, add more of this and I don't want to be charged for it, toast it more, the last time it was raw, blah blah" I wanted to slap him in the face a bunch of times. When he arrived with his entourage, an audible moan could be heard among the waitstaff, nobody wanted to wait on him.

I think I deserve some back tips for tolerating that. :{D
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Post by klr » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:05 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
Rum wrote:I recently read Job's biography. Frankly he came over as a pretty dreadful human bing.
He was one...I have personal experience. I waited on him as a customer when I was a waitress for the Good Earth Restaurant in Cupertino. Even though Apple already had office space they would come in and tie up several premium booths during the lunch rush and sit there for hours, finally leaving after the rush was over, leaving insultingly tiny tips. He would prop his stinky, sandaled feet on the edge of the booth, right under our noses as we served his highness his tostada "substitute this, substitute that, add more of this and I don't want to be charged for it, toast it more, the last time it was raw, blah blah" I wanted to slap him in the face a bunch of times. When he arrived with his entourage, an audible moan could be heard among the waitstaff, nobody wanted to wait on him.

I think I deserve some back tips for tolerating that. :{D
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Post by maiforpeace » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:06 pm

klr wrote:
maiforpeace wrote:
Rum wrote:I recently read Job's biography. Frankly he came over as a pretty dreadful human bing.
He was one...I have personal experience. I waited on him as a customer when I was a waitress for the Good Earth Restaurant in Cupertino. Even though Apple already had office space they would come in and tie up several premium booths during the lunch rush and sit there for hours, finally leaving after the rush was over, leaving insultingly tiny tips. He would prop his stinky, sandaled feet on the edge of the booth, right under our noses as we served his highness his tostada "substitute this, substitute that, add more of this and I don't want to be charged for it, toast it more, the last time it was raw, blah blah" I wanted to slap him in the face a bunch of times. When he arrived with his entourage, an audible moan could be heard among the waitstaff, nobody wanted to wait on him.

I think I deserve some back tips for tolerating that. :{D
You'll get them in the next life. ;)
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:15 pm

You could dig up his bones and sell them to the faithful as talismans. Say, $5,000 for a finger bone, etc., to do homage to his pricing policy.
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Post by Pensioner » Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:17 pm

Rum wrote:I recently read Job's biography. Frankly he came over as a pretty dreadful human bing.
I'm reading that very book at the moment Rum, and I must say what I have read so far Job's was an arshole.
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