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The Happiness Money Can't Buy

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The Happiness Money Can't BuyThe national income per capita in Bhutan, considered one of the happiest countries in the world despite endemic poverty, has rapidly risen from just a few hundred dollars in early 2000 to US$5,000 this year. But the happiness of its people has shown an unmistakable decline over the past years.

Bhutan dropped from the eighth place in 2006 to 17th in the Happy Planet Index compiled by Britain's New Economics Foundation. Experts suggest that the rapid proliferation of televisions in the countryside has been the chief cause; people whose only concerns had been farming and Buddhism were able to see the outside world on TV, which spawned new desires for material goods and different lifestyles. Bhutan's first psychiatrist reportedly started his practice only recently.

In 1974, the American economist Richard Easterlin in a thesis stated that higher income does not necessarily lead to increased happiness, citing as an example that although Japan's per-capita income had increased sevenfold over the 20 years since 1950, the happiness of its people dropped to a level comparable to that of Bangladesh, whose national income was one of the lowest in the world. That failure to improve public welfare despite rising national income was named the "Easterlin paradox."

It is worth asking whether it still applies today. This year, Costa Rica took first place in the HPI survey; nine Central American countries, including the Dominican Republic (second), Jamaica (third), and Cuba (seventh), were included in the top 10. Vietnam, in fifth place, was the only Asian country to make it into the top 10 list. Among developed nations, the Netherlands ranked 43rd, Germany 51st, Japan 75th, and the U.S. a sorry 114th. South Korea took 68th place.

The HPI is greatly influenced by the institutions that measure it and the evaluation factors taken into account. Environmental factors have recently become an important criterion as well. Costa Rica, for example, has put great efforts into conserving its natural environment for the last 20 years, and about a quarter of the country is designated as an environmental protection zone. Although an oil reserve was discovered off its eastern shore five years ago, the Costa Rican government banned drilling, opting instead to invest in wind and hydroelectric power. South American nations such as Brazil or Cuba have also received high marks for their dedication to environmental conservation.

In truth, happiness is a relative measure. The happiness, for instance, of a boy wearing $200 sneakers has nothing to do with the quality of the sneakers, but comes from being able to show them off to his friends. But if all his friends also got themselves the same expensive sneakers, the satisfaction the boy feels from wearing them would plummet almost immediately. Ultimately, the wealthier a society becomes, the more money it will need to stay happy. Was Korea any different during the last few decades?

By Chosun Ilbo columnist Kim Hong-jin
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00891.html

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Ultimately, the wealthier a society becomes, the more money it will need to stay happy.
make me wonder why we bother with this whole civilization thing. Civilization is a failed attempt at happiness. Spend 40+ hours/week, 51 weeks a year just to increase the steepness of the climb? I just don't see how that's a rational way of life, and don't see how people expect that it can continue this way indefinitely. :think:

I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
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Re: The Happiness Money Can't Buy

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FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
Doesn't that involve... getting out of bed in the morning? Count me out! :o
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FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
If you scratch the farming bit... I'd be up for it.

Oh hang on... we don't have any wild animals over here any more. :think:
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Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:05 am

Civilization is a failed attempt at happiness.
Well said.
Spend 40+ hours/week, 51 weeks a year just to increase the steepness of the climb? I just don't see how that's a rational way of life, and don't see how people expect that it can continue this way indefinitely. :think:
I refuse to work more than 3 hours a night. I can just about survive on that. My boss hates me. This doesn't worry me though, because I know if I worked a 40 hr week I'd just spend more money and still be as skint as I am now. I'm never jealous of people with high-earning jobs - they always seem have money trouble and there's always someone trying to relieve them of it. I know of at least one person on these fora in this very situation and there's no way I'd swap places with them.
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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
Doesn't that involve... getting out of bed in the morning? Count me out! :o
Not exactly. You'll be rolling out of your pile of straw and leaves when you're hungry, or maybe when somebody/thing is attacking. Big difference. :tup:
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Pappa wrote:
FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
If you scratch the farming bit... I'd be up for it.

Oh hang on... we don't have any wild animals over here any more. :think:
What's wrong with farming? Nothing large-scale. Just a little subsistence patch that serves also to draw game into range. Rabbits and birds and the like. Barter some produce for this and that, like in the old days.
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Civilization is a failed attempt at happiness.
Well said...I refuse to work more than 3 hours a night. I can just about survive on that. My boss hates me. This doesn't worry me though, because I know if I worked a 40 hr week I'd just spend more money and still be as skint as I am now. I'm never jealous of people with high-earning jobs - they always seem have money trouble and there's always someone trying to relieve them of it. I know of at least one person on these fora in this very situation and there's no way I'd swap places with them.
That's the spirit! I read somewhere that hunter-gatherer societies only have to hunt and gather a few hours a day, whereas we prostitute the majority of our lives into virtual indentured servitude, counting the days until the weekend or holiday, then feverishly squeezing every ounce of enjoyment out of that fleeting moment of our lives. Why? Simply because we inherited the tradition from our forebears, not because it makes sense. Each generation pushes it a little further into absurdity, but at such a slow pace that nobody notices exactly how absurd it has become. I'm agin' it, I tell ya! :cranky:

My current job requires only 18 hrs/wk and gives around 5 months of paid vacation a year. If not for that, I'd have taken to the forest already. That's not a joke. :ddpan:
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Post by Pappa » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:35 am

FBM wrote:
Pappa wrote:
FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
If you scratch the farming bit... I'd be up for it.

Oh hang on... we don't have any wild animals over here any more. :think:
What's wrong with farming? Nothing large-scale. Just a little subsistence patch that serves also to draw game into range. Rabbits and birds and the like. Barter some produce for this and that, like in the old days.
Agriculture... it was all downhill from there. :hehe:
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Pappa wrote:
FBM wrote:
Pappa wrote:
FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
If you scratch the farming bit... I'd be up for it.

Oh hang on... we don't have any wild animals over here any more. :think:
What's wrong with farming? Nothing large-scale. Just a little subsistence patch that serves also to draw game into range. Rabbits and birds and the like. Barter some produce for this and that, like in the old days.
Agriculture... it was all downhill from there. :hehe:
But now that we've learned from our mistake, we don't have to go down the same road again. I say ban collective agriculture, i.e. commercial agriculture, and each family produce for itself. Factories and mass production is out. Make it, hunt/gather it, or barter for it. No commnities larger than a smallish village. (So we know where to find the booze and hookers. ^^^)
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FBM wrote:
Pappa wrote:
FBM wrote:
Pappa wrote:
FBM wrote:I'm ready to go back to farming, hunting and gathering. Anybody want to join me?
If you scratch the farming bit... I'd be up for it.

Oh hang on... we don't have any wild animals over here any more. :think:
What's wrong with farming? Nothing large-scale. Just a little subsistence patch that serves also to draw game into range. Rabbits and birds and the like. Barter some produce for this and that, like in the old days.
Agriculture... it was all downhill from there. :hehe:
But now that we've learned from our mistake, we don't have to go down the same road again. I say ban collective agriculture, i.e. commercial agriculture, and each family produce for itself. Factories and mass production is out. Make it, hunt/gather it, or barter for it. No commnities larger than a smallish village. (So we know where to find the booze and hookers. ^^^)
I'd go for that. Now we need a suitable virus to wipe out enough of the world's population to make it feasible.
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We don't need a virus , Just stop breeding .
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FBM wrote:That's the spirit! I read somewhere that hunter-gatherer societies only have to hunt and gather a few hours a day,
That's only if they are lucky enough to live somewhere that doesn't have a Winter. Unless you can hibernate, you will need to spend every other free minute stockpiling!
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Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
FBM wrote:That's the spirit! I read somewhere that hunter-gatherer societies only have to hunt and gather a few hours a day,
That's only if they are lucky enough to live somewhere that doesn't have a Winter. Unless you can hibernate, you will need to spend every other free minute stockpiling!
Only for a short period in autumn.
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Post by FBM » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:56 am

Hell, people have lived happily inside the Arctic Circle for millenia! We'll do away with this artificial bullshit idea of nationality, too, btw. Pick a spot on the globe, and if you can get there, you can live there.

Oh, and the population issue will work itself out naturally. There may be a brief period of bloodshed, but well, the strongest will survive. On the average, anyway.
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Pappa wrote:
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FBM wrote:That's the spirit! I read somewhere that hunter-gatherer societies only have to hunt and gather a few hours a day,
That's only if they are lucky enough to live somewhere that doesn't have a Winter. Unless you can hibernate, you will need to spend every other free minute stockpiling!
Only for a short period in autumn.
And then factor in the food you would need to gather for your children, elderly, infirm, pregnant women, etc. Add competition with other tribes of HGs for prime hunting/gathering sites, fresh water, mineral resources, women, etc. And don't forget the lack of health care, sewage, refrigeration, sanitation - cheese and beer! Sure, most of these things could be provided but doing so would take people away from hunting and gathering - which is basically what civilisation is all about - division of labour.

There is a reason the average life-expectancy of HGs is a little lower than you might be used to and why they became increasingly impractical as the population of the Earth grew.
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Post by FBM » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:19 am

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:And then factor in the food you would need to gather for your children, elderly, infirm, pregnant women, etc.
Among those, only the youngest of the young, the oldest of the old, the most infirm of the infirm and the...most pregnant of the pregnant?...couldn't contribute. Over here, you see men and women well into their 80s out in the garden. Barring that, the elderly are depended upon to care for and educate the young'uns. Teaching them how to hunt and gather, language, etc.
Add competition with other tribes of HGs for prime hunting/gathering sites, fresh water, mineral resources, women, etc.
Which is exactly how H. sapiens existed for many thousands of years.
And don't forget the lack of health care, sewage, refrigeration, sanitation - cheese and beer!
Natural selection takes care of health care. Longer life doesn't equal better life. I'd rather live 50 years free than 100 as an indentured servant. There are simple systems to deal with sewage, refrigeration and sanitation that don't require a metropolis of 5 million or atom-splitting technology. Again, that's the way it was for a long time. We didn't start getting plagues and the like until we all started huddling together in cities. Then the sewage, refrigeration and sanitation problems developed. Cheese, beer and most of the best things we put in our mouths require only medieval technology, if that, to produce.
Sure, most of these things could be provided but doing so would take people away from hunting and gathering - which is basically what civilisation is all about - division of labour. There is a reason the average life-expectancy of HGs is a little lower than you might be used to and why they became increasingly impractical as the population of the Earth grew.
Natural division of labour pre-existed civilization. The current form of division of labor is a result of the logical error 'more is better' and the subsequent race towards mass production, industrialization. The life expectancy thing isn't really an issue, as we're all going to die sometime even with the most advanced technology. Quality of life is a bigger issue, IMO, and civilization is destroying that, as the OP pointed out.
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