"Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

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"Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:11 am

Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy

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As I've found by writing on this site, non-Americans are continually astonished by the extreme degree of both religiosity and idiocity of Republicans in America. Without living here, it's hard to apprehend how soaked in God our country really is. If you want a graphic demonstration, here's a two-hour-plus video of the "Thanksgiving Family Forum," a meeting of six Republican presidential candidates in Iowa. They include
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann
Herman Cain
[ex] Speaker Newt Gingrich
Congressman Ron Paul
Texas Governor Rick Perry
Senator Rick Santorum
Start at 36 minutes in if you want to skip the opening prayers, Pledge of Allegiance, and other religious and and patriotic requisites and get directly to the insanity of the candidates themselves.

Or, better yet, just skip this and read Rick Saletan's piece in Slate, "Rule of the Lord," which summarizes what these politicians have in mind for America. Here are a few salient quotes:

Herman Cain:
What we are seeing is a wider gap between people of faith and people of nonfaith. … Those of us that are people of faith and strong faith have allowed the nonfaith element to intimidate us into not fighting back. I believe we’ve been too passive. We have maybe pushedback, but as people of faith, we have notfought back.
Rick Perry:
Somebody’s values are going to decide what the Congress votes on or what the president of the United States is going to deal with. And the question is: Whose values? And let me tell you, it needs to be our values—values and virtues that this country was based upon in Judeo-Christian founding fathers . . . n every person’s heart, in every person’s soul, there is a hole that can only be filled by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Michele Bachmann:
American exceptionalism is grounded on the Judeo-Christian ethic, which is really based upon the 10 Commandments. The 10 Commandments were the foundation for our law. That’s what Blackstone said—the English jurist—and our founders looked to Blackstone for the foundation of our law. That’s our law . . . I have a biblical worldview. And I think, going back to the Declaration of Independence, the fact that it’s God who created us—if He created us, He created government. And the government is on His shoulders, as the book of Isaiah sa ys.
Rick Santorum:
Unlike Islam, where the higher law and the civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws. But our civil laws have to comport with the higher law. … As long as abortion is legal—at least according to the Supreme Court—legal in this country, we will never have rest, because that law does not comport with God’s law. . . The idea that the only things that the states are prevented from doing are only things specifically established in the Constitution is wrong. Our country is based on a moral enterprise. Gay marriage is wrong. As Abraham Lincoln said, the states do not have the right to do wrong. … As a president, I will get involved, because the states do not have the right to undermine the basic, fundamental values that hold this country together.
And Newt Gingrich, who argues that we should abolish the courts' power to review the constitutionality of laws:
I am intrigued with something which Robby George at Princeton has come up with, which is an interpretation of the 14th Amendment, in which it says that Congress shall define personhood. That’s very clearly in the 14th Amendment. And part of what I would like to explore is whether or not you could get the Congress to pass a law which simply says: Personhood begins at conception. And therefore—and you could, in the same law, block the court and just say, ‘This will not be subject to review,’ which we have precedent for. You w ould therefore not have to have a constitutional amendment, because the Congress would have exercised its authority under the 14th Amendment to define life, and to therefore undo all of Roe vs. Wade, for the entire country, in one legislative action.
Don't think for a moment that if religious candidates like these get the upper hand, they won't do everything in their power to convert their religious values into laws that apply to all of us. And accommodationists wonder why we're so hard on religious belief? Because, of course, only rarely is such belief a purely private matter. If you think you have God-given truth and morality, it's almost imperative that you try to inflict that on everyone else, including those who disagree.

If one of these Republican clowns get elected, it will be only with the complicity of the religious "moderates" we're supposed to coddle. Remember that not everyone supporting these people is a fundamentalist or Biblical literalist.

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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by Clinton Huxley » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:25 am

I read something in the paper at the weekend that made me snort.

"The current crop of Republican candidates make George Bush look like Aristotle"
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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by klr » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:26 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:I read something in the paper at the weekend that made me snort.

"The current crop of Republican candidates make George Bush look like Aristotle"
Sadly, there's probably a sizeable grain of truth to it. :ddpan:
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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:28 am

1. Win lottery.
2. Get the fuck out of here.
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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by klr » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:31 am

Gawdzilla wrote:1. Win lottery.
2. Get the fuck out of here.
"Already out of here ..." :tut:
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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:33 am

klr wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:1. Win lottery.
2. Get the fuck out of here.
"Already out of here ..." :tut:
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Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:12 pm

Atheist Americans need to think clealry and now before things spiral. It is too easy waiting until 1938 in the hope things will blow over. This is 1931 and it is time to think about getting some rat runs ready for the days ahead if you presently have the means? Boats travel the Atlantic both ways. And history is replete with lessons on the dangers of compacency. From here it is clear you American atheists are sleeping fitfully in the lap of a tiger - comfortable I know(and you think you are awake because the teeth look bigger over there)....but is it wise? :smoke:

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:13 pm

Where we goin' get a Roosevelt these days?
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Post by FBM » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:18 pm

klr wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:1. Win lottery.
2. Get the fuck out of here.
"Already out of here ..." :tut:
Likewise sorted. ;)
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Post by Tero » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:23 pm

Why did the columnist leave out Mitt Romney?

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:32 pm

Tero wrote:Why did the columnist leave out Mitt Romney?
Because he's Jewish? :dunno:


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Post by Schneibster » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:01 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
klr wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:1. Win lottery.
2. Get the fuck out of here.
"Already out of here ..." :tut:
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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by Drewish » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:13 pm

I had a quick conversation on Google+ about this. I think I'll post that here:

Not Ron Paul, Jon Huntsman, or Gary Johnson.

Yeah, I noticed that Ron Paul was again the lone dissenting voice at this farce. Huntsman and Johnson are too much real Republicans to be voted in by whatever the GOP has turned into. In a sane world, the current poll numbers would be reversed.

Yeah, my issue is with the assertion that somehow people like Santorum are more legitimate Republicans than the ones I mentioned. Of course this is coming from the horribly bias French Rag known as Slate, so it's not exactly surprising.

To be fair, has any conservative commentator (besides David Frum) made any attempt to distinguish between the whackos and serious conservatives?

It's a chicken and egg problem. If the label of 'conservative' applies only to a certain subset of those that generally vote Republican, than no. However the Republican party is about more than simply the modern conservative movement. It's very much a party in conflict right now. And I understand why left-leaning media outlets want to legitimize the craziest on the GOP side as being the "true" Republicans, but they do so at their own expense. They are not forcing themselves to be the only electable party by doing so, merely moving their opposition further and further right.

I don't know, it's kind of off-putting to read some of the things these Republican candidates really believe and I don't think you need the liberal media to show that. Personally over the past few years, I have felt the Republican party moving away from me, rather than me becoming more liberal.

What I mean is that any publication that supports one of these more moderate (Huntsman) or libertarian (Paul, Johnson) candidates is suddenly no longer called a conservative publication, despite the fact that people who support these candidates are much more likely to vote Republican than Democrat even if somebody like Romney gets the nomination. It's a labeling pigeon holing sort of issue.

I see what you mean. They kind of report Paul, Huntsman and Johnson as Republican candidates with a wink and a nod. How do you fix an identity crisis like that though?

Have one of them win the nomination :D

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Re: "Republicans insane; want to establish theocracy"

Post by maiforpeace » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:18 pm

Gawdzilla wrote: If one of these Republican clowns get elected, it will be only with the complicity of the religious "moderates" we're supposed to coddle. Remember that not everyone supporting these people is a fundamentalist or Biblical literalist.
Indeed, some of them are atheists. 8-)
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Post by Svartalf » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:30 pm

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Clinton Huxley wrote:I read something in the paper at the weekend that made me snort.

"The current crop of Republican candidates make George Bush look like Aristotle"
No? Seriously? Feck, while he was president, I kept laughing at how pertinent I found a fridge magnet a friend of mine had that said
"somewhere, in Texas, a village has lost its idiot", with his face, all in good old milk ccarton style...

If the new crop are that much worse, I don't know what humorists will be able to do to hammer in the true horror of the situation.
Then again, mmaybe they won't have to because nukes will have flown somewhere, and dirty retaliation will have come back, and most dystopian movies or novels will look like positive utopias.
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