The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

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The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Schneibster » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:11 pm

Was reading a Wired article and came across this equation:

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It applies to raw chemicals, and shows how they can evolve under the right conditions. And the "right conditions" are ubiquitous; in these terms, given enough energy to cause random reactions among the available chemicals, and given enough time, something will evolve. Whether it will be "life" or not depends upon how you define "life" and on the amount of energy flow available, and on how long you're willing to wait. No more.

Now we represent evolution with an equation, one that discusses the essence of evolvability. And we can see that that which we call "life" is that which enhances its own evolvability. This is a two-fer: a really good mathematical definition of the ability to evolve, and a definition of life comes out of it for free. When you start getting stuff like that for free, it's called "consilience" and it's a sign you're on the right track.

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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Audley Strange » Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:37 pm

Do I have to deny it whilst fucking a mother?
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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by hackenslash » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:12 am

Source, please. I'd like to peruse the paper, and I have some friends of ours who can almost certainly acquire it, one way or the other.
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Post by GenesForLife » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:23 am

hackenslash wrote:Source, please. I'd like to peruse the paper, and I have some friends of ours who can almost certainly acquire it, one way or the other.
I can easily sort you a copy, if I can find it, institutional access does have its perks :D

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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:25 am

Here is the page I got it from, and here is the whole article. It's the seventh frame.

The equation was originally proposed by Harvard's Martin Nowak, a mathematical biologist. That should get you where you're going.
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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:26 am

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hackenslash wrote:Source, please. I'd like to peruse the paper, and I have some friends of ours who can almost certainly acquire it, one way or the other.
I can easily sort you a copy, if I can find it, institutional access does have its perks :D
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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by hackenslash » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:27 am

I can find a lot of work by him, including a book which looks quite interesting, namely Evolutionary dynamics: exploring the equations of life, but I can't actually find a source for the equation.
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Post by Exi5tentialist » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:35 am

What's x?

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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:04 am

There isn't any x.

There's the first derivative of xi with respect to time.
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Post by JimC » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:05 am

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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by GenesForLife » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:03 am

If you can find out which of these papers is the correct one I can retrieve a copy. :dance:

http://www.ped.fas.harvard.edu/publications/

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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:27 am

I suspect it is a paper that has been submitted but not published.

You guys will probably want to look this over: http://www.math.harvard.edu/theses/seni ... harris.pdf

Starting on page 16, the author discusses first a version of the equation that leaves out the last term; on page 19 the full form of the equation appears. I suspect the derivation is there, but haven't looked closely enough to say. I'm still searching. More soon.

ETA: OK, it looks like reference 28 in the above linked paper is this: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/ ... 5.abstract

The equation appears on the first page and I'm reading the paper now.

Since it's in the PNAS, it's free access. Enjoy.
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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:35 am

"Life is that which replicates and evolves." That's his definition.
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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Azathoth » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:36 am

I suspect rectal number extraction with this one but that is what the peer review process is for.
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Re: The Equation of Evolution is the Definition of Life

Post by Tero » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:41 am

These math papers always bore me. I can do reaction kinetics, at least some molecules are involved. Here is a paper on amino acids:
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0904/0904.0402.pdf
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