US Prez Election 2012 Thread - Opinions and Discussions

[Warren Dew]

I sometimes wonder if direct election of Senators was a mistake, because the Senates job originally was to limit Federal power as they were pointed by State government.

Only sometimes?

[Coito ergo sum]

National Debt has increased more under Obama in 3 years and two months than in the 8 years Bush was in office: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... nder-bush/ That is as of March of this year, and it's now almost August.

[mistermack]

National Debt has increased more under Obama in 3 years and two months than in the 8 years Bush was in office: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... nder-bush/ That is as of March of this year, and it's now almost August.

George Bush put the country into a catastrophic recession, and you're surprised by a debt increase?

So where would the country be, if there was no program to grow out of recession?
Business confidence is extremely fragile. The US could have been in recession for ten years or more, if people stop spending. Obama has handled the shit that Bush left incredibly well.

George Bush took a silk purse, and turned it into a sow's ear.
Obama is having to try to do the exact opposite, with fuck-all.

[Coito ergo sum]

National Debt has increased more under Obama in 3 years and two months than in the 8 years Bush was in office: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... nder-bush/ That is as of March of this year, and it's now almost August.

George Bush put the country into a catastrophic recession, and you're surprised by a debt increase?

So where would the country be, if there was no program to grow out of recession?
Business confidence is extremely fragile. The US could have been in recession for ten years or more, if people stop spending. Obama has handled the shit that Bush left incredibly well.

George Bush took a silk purse, and turned it into a sow's ear.
Obama is having to try to do the exact opposite, with fuck-all.

There is a program to "grow out of recession?" You mean the failed spending on so-called "green" industries? The Chevy Volt? The Stimulus waste?

Well, Reagan took Carter's recession and turned it around. He didn't get the luxury of pretending that when he is President, with a Democratic controlled congress for nearly two years, that none of it is his responsibility.....

[Coito ergo sum]

A new visual from the "Face the Facts USA," a non-partisan election project from George Washington University, shows the federal deficit has risen significantly under President Barack Obama, and that the government is increasingly spending money it doesn't have.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washin ... ince-1940s

[amused]

My perception of Romney as a person is that he's equivalent to Coolidge as a president. Clueless about the real world of the rest of us.

[Warren Dew]

My perception of Romney as a person is that he's equivalent to Coolidge as a president.

That would be nice. We had a huge economic boom in the 1920s thanks to Coolidge's policies.

[Warren Dew]

So where would the country be, if there was no program to grow out of recession?

Exactly where we are now, since that's exactly what happened.

[Ian]

As long as we're putting charts in this thread again...

[Warren Dew]

As long as we're putting charts in this thread again...

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Good contrast there. I put in charts showing statistics that can be verified on the BLS site; you put in charts showing numbers cooked by attributing Obama's stimulus plan to Bush.

Kinda demonstrates the basic difference between Romney and Obama, too.

[Coito ergo sum]

As long as we're putting charts in this thread again...

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A bit of fact checking puts the lie to that nonsense: The Washington Post debunked it -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... _blog.html And, the Associated Press debunked it: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/26/a ... ng-claims/

Spending HAS dramatically increased under Obama.

[Coito ergo sum]

President Obama's administration doesn’t see the need for defense contractors to warn employees about possible layoffs from across-the-board budget cuts, but in 2007, then-Sen. Barack Obama railed against employers for failing to notify workers who were in danger of losing their jobs.

“The least employers can do when they’re anticipating layoffs is to let workers know they’re going to be out of a job and a paycheck with enough time to plan for their future,” Mr. Obama said in a news release on July 17, 2007, while campaigning for president.

The Obama administration said Monday in guidance from the Labor Department that federal contractors don’t need to warn their employees that they could lose their jobs because of the looming budget cuts that are slated to begin Jan. 2.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... rnings-07/

[Coito ergo sum]

WH Press Corps Goes Seven Weeks Without a Question
by KEITH KOFFLER on AUGUST 6, 2012, 9:28 AM
President Obama has not taken a serious question from the White House press corps in nearly seven weeks, a remarkable string that points to a campaign-style White House operation that is seeking to insulate the candidate from tough cross examination.

The last substantive question Obama took from a White House reporter was during a June 20 press conference following the G20 Summit in Los Cabos, Mexico. Obama allowed only six questions during the event, which was nearly guaranteed to keep him out of political hot water as the focus was on foreign policy.

Since then, Obama has held no press conferences, given no interviews to White House reporters, and taken no questions at the White House events he has held where reporters have been present.

After a July 26 Cabinet meeting, Obama actually laughed off the prospect of taking a serious question about gun laws.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/0 ... -question/

Would Bush have been allowed to get away with this? Rhetorical question. We all know that the press would have been on him like piranha if he wouldn't allow himself to be questioned. They won't say anything much about it now, though, because they want him reelected, so they are in the catch-22 of being reporters who are supposed to investigate our elected officials, and being cheerleaders. They're opting for the latter.

[Ian]

The Case of the Senator Who Did Not Bark

As the controversy over Mitt Romney's tax returns continues, the one person other than Romney himself who could settle this has been completely silent. That would be Sen. John McCain, who inspected 23 years of Romney's tax returns in 2008 when he was considering Romney as a possible running mate. All he would have to do is hold a press conference and say: "Harry Reid is wrong. I personally saw Romney's tax returns going back over two decades and he paid federal income tax every year." But McCain has said nothing at all at a moment he could help Romney and hurt Reid. Why? It seems very strange. Maybe Reid is right and McCain knows this.

[Coito ergo sum]

The Case of the Senator Who Did Not Bark

As the controversy over Mitt Romney's tax returns continues, the one person other than Romney himself who could settle this has been completely silent. That would be Sen. John McCain, who inspected 23 years of Romney's tax returns in 2008 when he was considering Romney as a possible running mate. All he would have to do is hold a press conference and say: "Harry Reid is wrong. I personally saw Romney's tax returns going back over two decades and he paid federal income tax every year." But McCain has said nothing at all at a moment he could help Romney and hurt Reid. Why? It seems very strange. Maybe Reid is right and McCain knows this.

Does seem strange, as does Obama's refusal to release his Columbia school records. His deafening silence in this regard must mean that folks are right when they say that obama entered Columbia as a foreign exchange student, and Obama knows this....

I like that Wayne Allen Root's suggestion that Romney offer to disclose more tax returns, if Obama will release all of his college records...

Sounds fair :-)