Political posterizing redux.

[Coito ergo sum]

Remind you again who opened Gitmo for prisoners?

Same old bullshit.

George H.W. Bush.
William J. Clinton.
White House Vacant.
Barack H. Obama.

Yawn.

Blame Bush. Bush did this, so Obama has to keep doing it, because obviously, if Bush did it, it's impossible to change it. The mantra of the Obama supporter who will steadfastly refuse to even think about criticizing anything he's done. Obama = good. "Umgawa, me Chaka."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Remind you again who opened Gitmo for prisoners?

Same old bullshit.

George H.W. Bush.
William J. Clinton.
White House Vacant.
Barack H. Obama.

Yawn.

Blame Bush. Bush did this, so Obama has to keep doing it, because obviously, if Bush did it, it's impossible to change it. The mantra of the Obama supporter who will steadfastly refuse to even think about criticizing anything he's done. Obama = good. "Umgawa, me Chaka."

That's been the Teabaggers' excuse for being biased against reality all along. You're in "good" company there.

[Coito ergo sum]

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This is why I said you're seldom right.

because Obama didn't add to the debt, right? It's all Bush's spending - we're locked in to the Bush budgets of 2007. Got it.

Well, the Democrats haven't passed a budget since 2009, and show no signs of wanting to do so this year either, but, who cares, right? The good guys are in power, so good to go.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

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This is why I said you're seldom right.

because Obama didn't add to the debt, right? It's all Bush's spending - we're locked in to the Bush budgets of 2007. Got it.

Well, the Democrats haven't passed a budget since 2009, and show no signs of wanting to do so this year either, but, who cares, right? The good guys are in power, so good to go.

How much of the debt would Obama have had to add if Bush hadn't started those wars? Please don't bother answering that, I've heard your bullshit before.

[Coito ergo sum]

That's been the Teabaggers' excuse for being biased against reality all along. You're in "good" company there.

You are no different than the teabaggers. Mindless, thoughtless.

"Biased against reality" -- the democrat rephrasing of the old fashioned term "holds a different opinion."

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Ah, the PeeWee Herman Defense. "I know you are, but what am I." Grow up some.

[Coito ergo sum]

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This is why I said you're seldom right.

because Obama didn't add to the debt, right? It's all Bush's spending - we're locked in to the Bush budgets of 2007. Got it.

Well, the Democrats haven't passed a budget since 2009, and show no signs of wanting to do so this year either, but, who cares, right? The good guys are in power, so good to go.

How much of the debt would Obama have had to add if Bush hadn't started those wars? Please don't bother answering that, I've heard your bullshit before.

You think we added 6 trillion dollars to the deficit over the last 4 years to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq?

The spending on the Iraq War accounts for $1 trillion from 2003 through 2011. 8 years. The amount spent from 2009, 10, 11, and 12 is nothing compared to the debt Obama ran up.

And, last I checked, cheerleader-boy, the Democrats said there wasn't ENOUGH money spent on Afghanistan, which they plainly and nearly unanimously supported, and it was Obama who increased Afghan spending and troop levels.

Now, I know you want to just take the easy road and say "all the debt incurred by Obama was Bush's fault" but it just ain't so. But, nothing convinces a true believer like yourself, especially the facts. Faith heads dig themselves in harder when confronted with reality, so I don't know why I would expect you to see reason. You think the 6 trillion, and counting, Obama has added to the debt was primarily Bush's doing. You're somehow able to square that circle in your head. God bless ya, man. If you can live in that state of cognitive dissonance and be happy -- Amen, brutha.

[Coito ergo sum]

Ah, the PeeWee Herman Defense. "I know you are, but what am I." Grow up some.

No no... sure -- of course -- the 6 trillion dollars the Democrats added to the deficit is mostly Bush's fault. Got it.

[Jason]

Because Bush ran up a huge deficit in creating a war-time economy. Artificially boosting the economy in the short term and leaving a crushing debt for Obama.



See the peaks? They correspond to wars.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

He's not listening.

[Coito ergo sum]

Because Bush ran up a huge deficit in creating a war-time economy. Artificially boosting the economy in the short term and leaving a crushing debt for Obama.

Approximates
The National Debt on Inauguration day, 2001 -- $5,750,000,000,000
The National Debt on inauguration day, 2009 -- $10,625,000,000,000
The National Debt today http://www.usdebtclock.org/ $16,498,000,000,000

Added to the debt since Obama took office, almost $6 trillion -- in 4 years.
Added to the debt in the 8 years of the Bush Admininistration -- 8 years -- just under $5 trillion.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLog ... ication=np

Yes, peaks in deficits as percentages of GDP are counted in the years in which they occur - they aren't being attributed to Obama. Obama has averaged $1.3 trillion deficits per year, and he added, as a result, in 4 years, about 6 trillion dollars to the debt. that doesn't have anything to do with whether the deficit relative to the GDP in 2005 or whatever, was up or down as a percentage. In four years Obama added as much debt to the federal debt as Bush did in 8 years. Bush's average annual deficit was less than 1/2 that as Obama's average annual deficits.

Those are the numbers, straight from the Federal Treasury.

[Jason]

Indeed. It takes a long time to turn the good ship Economy around.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Indeed. It takes a long time to turn the good ship Economy around.

Spending to make war on some country that we really didn't need to be fighting is okay, but trying to recover from gross mismanagement by a previous regime seems to be way over the top. Teabaggers are like that.

[Coito ergo sum]

Indeed. It takes a long time to turn the good ship Economy around.

That's the talking point - the platitude. BUt, there is no substance behind that. It is also a diversion from the issue we were discussing, which was Zilla's claim that Bush was to blame for the 6 trillion dollars added to the debt in the last four years, mainly because Obama was forced into war spending. Of course, that claim is nonsense, regardless of how long it takes to right the economy.

Reagan inherited a worse economy from Carter than Obama did from Bush.

Unemployment at its peak in the recession was 108%, Inflation in 1980 peaked at 14.8%. The Prime Rate of interest in 1981 was 20% and now it is like 3.2%. 30 year mortgages were at 18% and now they are at like 4.5%. Real gas prices were double in 1980 as compared to what they are now. http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2009/01 ... ere-worse/

Four years is enough time.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Denial of responsibility, we see it yet again.