The Trump Pandemic

[Sean Hayden]

Actually, I just gave an interesting piece on how a Democrat killed welfare. I see it as relevant to the discussion. It certainly belongs in the universe of what went wrong. What Trump is isn't really up for debate, and almost all of us agree.

[Brian Peacock]

Yes, yes, but the Democrats are equally to blame because... reasons.

Get over yourself. Of course Democrats share some of the blame for the current state of the union even if you think one lot of neo-liberal capitalists are better than another lot of neo-liberal capitalists. The dichotomies you're erecting are false Mr Bass. Liberals will always sell you out, every time, regardless of what colour tie they're wearing.

[pErvinalia]

Actually, I just gave an interesting piece on how a Democrat killed welfare. I see it as relevant to the discussion. It certainly belongs in the universe of what went wrong. What Trump is isn't really up for debate, and almost all of us agree.

I think you need to look at the thread title.

[Hermit]

It's simply the case that I don't think Democrats are actually blameless because Trump is so bad.

Just speaking for myself, almost all the Democrats are contemptible neoliberals and Wall Street shills. I've said as much often enough, most recently in this very thread at the start of this month. To spare you looking it up, here it is:

This prick is probably about to win a second presidential term. What does that say about the voters?

It says that the Dems, in a shockingly tone-deaf four years have offered nothing better for the voters to get behind.

The Dems have been neoliberal Wall Street shills ever since at least as early as Bill Clinton's presidency. The working classes and the shrinking middle classes have been economically abandoned in the mid 1970s. That's when the tide ceased raising all boats.



No Democratic government did anything about it, but no Republican government did either. That's why enough US voters turned their backs on both and voted for a sociopathic demagogue instead. They are utter cretins. I wonder what would have happened had Bernie Sanders not been poleaxed by the DNC in 2016.

That was not a one-off either. I just checked how many of my posts contain the expression "Wall Street shill". Turns out there are 24 of them. The expression was made mostly in relation to Hillary Clinton, but also in relation to Bill and the Democrat Party in general.

The only reason I would ever vote Democrat - were I a US citizen - is that the alternative is so much worse. Sharing out blame is about as pointless as being required to mention that the Weimar Republic had seriously neglected the welfare of the plebs every fucking time we say what we think of Hitler.

[Animavore]

[JimC]

Yes, yes, but the Democrats are equally to blame because... reasons.

Get over yourself. Of course Democrats share some of the blame for the current state of the union even if you think one lot of neo-liberal capitalists are better than another lot of neo-liberal capitalists. The dichotomies you're erecting are false Mr Bass. Liberals will always sell you out, every time, regardless of what colour tie they're wearing.

I think the key term here is "equally". I think that you can apportion a much larger "blame component" for America's woes to the political trend embodied by the Republicans without absolving Democrats of any failings...

[Animavore]

This video addresses some claims that "it's the population" that leads to the US having such a high number of cases, and more.

[Tero]

Trump opposes evil WHO and evil vaccine plan:

VACCINE TRIALS
More than 2.7 million people have been infected with COVID-19 and nearly 190,000 have died from it since the new coronavirus emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan late last year, according to a Reuters tally.

“As new diagnostics, treatments and vaccines become available, we have a responsibility to get them out equitably with the understanding that all lives have equal value,” said Melinda Gates, co-chair of the Gates Foundation, which was WHO’s second largest donor last year.

More than 100 potential COVID-19 vaccines are being developed, including six already in clinical trials, said Dr. Seth Berkley, CEO of the GAVI vaccine alliance, a public-private partnership that leads immunisation campaigns in poor countries.

“We need to ensure that there are enough vaccines for everyone, we are going to need global leadership to identify and prioritise vaccine candidates,” he told a Geneva news briefing.

Yuan Qiong, senior legal and policy advisor at Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) Access Campaign welcomed the pledges but called for concrete steps. “There shouldn’t be any patent monopoly and profiteering out of this pandemic,” she told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... HMiHKNURDk

[Tero]

Will they arrest him?

[rainbow]

Will they arrest him?
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The CIA has a budget of $82 billion dollars, and they failed to notice this?

Gosh.

[Cunt]

So are there UV therapies used inside the body? Or was he asking the Doc about something he saw on a late-night sci-fi show?

[Seabass]

Yes, yes, but the Democrats are equally to blame because... reasons.

Get over yourself. Of course Democrats share some of the blame for the current state of the union even if you think one lot of neo-liberal capitalists are better than another lot of neo-liberal capitalists. The dichotomies you're erecting are false Mr Bass. Liberals will always sell you out, every time, regardless of what colour tie they're wearing.

You left off the bit where Seabass feigned ignorance as to possible reasons Democrats might share some blame, or might at times be thought of as "just as bad". What's your point anyway Hermit?

My comment was specifically in response to this:

I was listening to the Mark & Carrie podcast from the Watson Institute of International & Public Affairs yesterday and Mark Blythe made this interesting observation: When the HIV/AIDs epidemic arrived the world looked to the CDC to coordinate and direct the response - it took a massive international effort of course, but the CDC was seen as the natural administrative focal point. Same with SARS, and MERS - the CDC had a primary roll liaising with governments and coordinating action. The CDC's response to Ebola was weakened by Republican machinations because there was a black man in the White House, but in the face of Covid-19 it seems to have just imploded all together because political concerns now clearly override absolutely everything else at both the international and the a federal level in the US. About the only thing keeping the US in focus at the moment is the fact that the US$ is the world's reserve currency. Apart from that everything the administration says or does about the pandemic appears increasingly irrelevant to the circumstances people are actually finding themselves in.

I've never said that the Dems bear no responsibility for the current state of the union.

[Seabass]

From the Melbourne Age today:

President Donald Trump did not hold a press conference over the weekend after his disastrous briefing on Thursday (Friday AEST) when he mused about the possibility of injecting coronavirus patients with disinfectant or exposing them to high levels of ultra-violet rays.

Before now, Trump's daily White House briefings have been rambling and full of dubious claims.

Often stretching over two hours, the rambunctious affairs have shown Trump jousting with reporters, bragging about his administration's response, hyping unproven treatments and attacking his Democratic rivals.

The briefings have also stood out for the lack of time spent empathising with the 50,000-plus Americans who have died from the virus.

A Washington Post analysis of the past three weeks' briefings found Trump spent just four-and-a-half minutes expressing condolences for victims compared to two hours attacking his enemies and 45 minutes praising his administration.

He also spent 9 minutes pushing hydroxychloroquine. Twice the amount of time that he spent talking about the victims.

[JimC]

Our Chief Medical Officer, Brendan Murphy (who has provided excellent advice to the government, and is a very reassuring figure to most Australians), couldn't hide his laughter when asked about Trump's disinfectant comments at a press conference:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-24/ ... t/12182578

Usually straitlaced and solemn in his delivery of up-to-the-minute health advice, Australia's Chief Medical Officer stifled giggles when asked about US President Donald Trump's latest suggested treatments for coronavirus.

[Tero]

“It’s very unfair if you start adding in a bunch of people who died of the virus but were also very clearly black,” said Trump, who pointed to Texas, with its incomplete data-gathering and low rates of testing in minority communities, as a model other states should emulate. “Obviously, if you count blacks, it’s going to throw off your estimates of how bad this thing is.