How is this shit possible? Woman refused abortion, dies

[amused]

It's just fucking despicable that people have to die before minds get changed toward a more progressive outlook on things.

Maybe they don't want a more "progressive" outlook on things, which is their right as a nation. You don't like it, leave.

The great arc of human history is a movement from ignorant violence toward progressive behavior. Giving up on that is cowardice.

[Tero]

Seth, the world is full of people already. Only dumb EU countries are taking some in, plus US. Nobody to Japan, just some Koreans minimumwage.

[Svartalf]

As you can imagine, this is now the #1 news story here. It took up the first 30 minutes of the main lunchtime radio news bulletin on RTE (state radio).

not enough headss will roll anyway... how many doctors need their licence removed over this fiasco?

[Seth]

It's just fucking despicable that people have to die before minds get changed toward a more progressive outlook on things.

Maybe they don't want a more "progressive" outlook on things, which is their right as a nation. You don't like it, leave.

The great arc of human history is a movement from ignorant violence toward progressive behavior. Giving up on that is cowardice.

That assumes, wrongly, that the vague term "progressive behavior" is a good thing. You'd have to define what you mean by "progressive behavior" much more carefully before I'd agree.

There's a reason that the "great arc of human history" still encompasses religion; religion provides (or at least can provide in many circumstances) positive social benefits and is an evolved survival strategy. Atheism, on the other hand, offers nothing whatsoever to society because it is the philosophy of nihilistic nothingness and denial. It has no positive message or aspects, just denial of a well-entrenched and useful social meme.

[Seth]

Imaginary friends shouldn't be involved in lawmaking.

Prove that the friend is imaginary please. Oh, wait, you can't, never mind.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Imaginary friends shouldn't be involved in lawmaking.

Prove that the friend is imaginary please. Oh, wait, you can't, never mind.

Burden of proof, old man, you have it.

[amused]

It's just fucking despicable that people have to die before minds get changed toward a more progressive outlook on things.

Maybe they don't want a more "progressive" outlook on things, which is their right as a nation. You don't like it, leave.

The great arc of human history is a movement from ignorant violence toward progressive behavior. Giving up on that is cowardice.

That assumes, wrongly, that the vague term "progressive behavior" is a good thing. You'd have to define what you mean by "progressive behavior" much more carefully before I'd agree.

There's a reason that the "great arc of human history" still encompasses religion; religion provides (or at least can provide in many circumstances) positive social benefits and is an evolved survival strategy. Atheism, on the other hand, offers nothing whatsoever to society because it is the philosophy of nihilistic nothingness and denial. It has no positive message or aspects, just denial of a well-entrenched and useful social meme.

The concept that everyone has equal protection under the law is a progressive concept. The genesis of that concept first made its appearance in Western law with the Magna Carta, which covered only the nobility at the time, but once that progressive idea had a place to take root, it expanded. That concept is still foreign in many nations even today.

War making in the past included the killing of as many civilians as possible with carpet bombing and even nuclear devastation. It is a progressive concept to do surgical strikes and attempt to minimize 'collateral damage'.

The idea that a woman should have total and complete authority over her own body and reproductive system is especially a progressive concept. That has nothing to do with religion, but those who oppose the concept use religion to back them up.


I disagree that atheism is nihilistic. You Seth are likely an atheist when it comes to the Greek and Norse gods. Today's atheists are just taking it one god further and also rejecting Yahweh. I do agree that religion has and still does play an important role in people's lives. In the past it did help to temper the excessive violence of the ruling class. Today it serves as a social networking fabric. I'm okay with that, but it goes awry when used to murder a woman during a pregnancy gone awry

[Seth]

Imaginary friends shouldn't be involved in lawmaking.

Prove that the friend is imaginary please. Oh, wait, you can't, never mind.

Burden of proof, old man, you have it.

Nope. If I say a giant pink rabbit told me to vote to outlaw gay marriage, and I do, I don't have to prove anything, I can do whatever I please with my vote and listen to any advice on the issue I like, from my neighbors and family to my giant pink rabbit and there's not a fucking thing you can do to stop me from doing so.

Therefore, I have no burden of proof. If you don't believe in my giant pink rabbit, that's your tough luck. All that's required is that I believe, and if he's real to me, that's all the proof I need. I don't have to convince you of anything.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Okay, so you can't prove your imaginary friend exists. Fail much?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

[DaveD]

It's just fucking despicable that people have to die before minds get changed toward a more progressive outlook on things.

Maybe they don't want a more "progressive" outlook on things, which is their right as a nation. You don't like it, leave.

Maybe, with Obama's re-election, Americans want a more progressive outlook on things, starting with Obamacare. You don't like it, leave. Is that how it works? When are you emigrating?
(On the other hand, who would have you?)

[MiM]

So true, and so at the spot. Cannot believe you guys are still arguing with Seth, instead of just ignoring him or laughing him flat out.

[Tero]

Seth, you're just no good at being a nihilist. Party, life is short. Survival surschmival, who cares?

[Seth]

That assumes, wrongly, that the vague term "progressive behavior" is a good thing. You'd have to define what you mean by "progressive behavior" much more carefully before I'd agree.

There's a reason that the "great arc of human history" still encompasses religion; religion provides (or at least can provide in many circumstances) positive social benefits and is an evolved survival strategy. Atheism, on the other hand, offers nothing whatsoever to society because it is the philosophy of nihilistic nothingness and denial. It has no positive message or aspects, just denial of a well-entrenched and useful social meme.

The concept that everyone has equal protection under the law is a progressive concept. The genesis of that concept first made its appearance in Western law with the Magna Carta, which covered only the nobility at the time, but once that progressive idea had a place to take root, it expanded. That concept is still foreign in many nations even today.

That's the problem. You fail to distinguish between concepts that forward the progress of civilization and Progressive (proper noun) concepts, which are quite different. Moreover, just because YOU think that a concept is "progressive" doesn't mean it actually is. Those who think that Marxism/Socialism is "progress" or a "progressive concept" are simply dangerous delusional nutcases because it's not, it's REgressive and inherently evil.

War making in the past included the killing of as many civilians as possible with carpet bombing and even nuclear devastation. It is a progressive concept to do surgical strikes and attempt to minimize 'collateral damage'.

So?

The idea that a woman should have total and complete authority over her own body and reproductive system is especially a progressive concept.

Pity they won't also take total and complete responsibility for their own body and reproductive system too, so no, it's not all that "progressive."

That has nothing to do with religion, but those who oppose the concept use religion to back them up.

So? That's their right. All law is is the codification of social mores, most of which emanate directly from religion.

I disagree that atheism is nihilistic.

I don't know why you would disagree. Atheism is, according to atheists, nothing more or less than the absence of belief in god or gods. It makes no positive statement about anything, it poses no theories or arguments about the essential questions of life, it just says "this theistic argument is false" and absolutely nothing else. It has no positive philosophy or utility for human beings, it's just abnegation of someone elses philosophical structure.

You Seth are likely an atheist when it comes to the Greek and Norse gods.

No, I'm a non-theistic Tolerist.

Today's atheists are just taking it one god further and also rejecting Yahweh. I do agree that religion has and still does play an important role in people's lives. In the past it did help to temper the excessive violence of the ruling class. Today it serves as a social networking fabric. I'm okay with that, but it goes awry when used to murder a woman during a pregnancy gone awry

[/quote]

Rights, nihilism.

And there does not appear to be any "murder" involved.

[Seth]

It's just fucking despicable that people have to die before minds get changed toward a more progressive outlook on things.

Maybe they don't want a more "progressive" outlook on things, which is their right as a nation. You don't like it, leave.

Maybe, with Obama's re-election, Americans want a more progressive outlook on things, starting with Obamacare. You don't like it, leave. Is that how it works? When are you emigrating?
(On the other hand, who would have you?)

I'm not leaving, I've become a good little proletarian consumer of OPM. I'm going whole hog into obtaining every single public benefit that I can possibly qualify for, even if I have to conceal assets and lie through my teeth. That's what the electorate voted to do, so I'm joining the bandwagon. I'm going to suck hard at the public teat and get back as much of the money I paid in as humanly possible, by hook or by crook.

Then, when the economy collapses and anarchy and death reign, I'm going to take my assets and trade goods and retire to my bunker for a year or so till the vast majority of the dependent class has eaten each other and then reemerge to build a new society based on Libertarian principles.

Fuck all y'all, I hope you all die screaming with someone's teeth in your throat. You asked for it, now you should get it good and hard.