Pope thinks child buggery isn't so bad

[Gawd]

I had no idea he was being that out front about it. I'd think that would be admissible in court.

What court? The US refuses to be a member of the International Criminal Court so the US has no jurisdiction or standing to touch the Pope.

The US has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people outside the US who would like to see the Pope and most of the RC hierarchy on trial, and many live in countries that are members of the ICC. The ICC is irrelevant, because the Pope and his coterie seem somehow to be beyond any legal mechanism on the planet.

Take your US-bashing elsewhere, FFS.

It has everything to do with the Pope. Do you seriously think another country like Britain would prosecute the Pope when it refuses to prosecute Tony Blair for war crimes? The Pope is safe.

[JimC]

What Seth plays down, much to his discredit, is the systematic way the abuse was covered up, and the abusers protected, not just by a few rogue elements, but systematically, by the church hierarchy as a whole. It happened, Seth, and if you want to be in denial about it, then fuck off!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I had no idea he was being that out front about it. I'd think that would be admissible in court.

What court? The US refuses to be a member of the International Criminal Court so the US has no jurisdiction or standing to touch the Pope.

The US has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of people outside the US who would like to see the Pope and most of the RC hierarchy on trial, and many live in countries that are members of the ICC. The ICC is irrelevant, because the Pope and his coterie seem somehow to be beyond any legal mechanism on the planet.

Take your US-bashing elsewhere, FFS.

It has everything to do with the Pope. Do you seriously think another country like Britain would prosecute the Pope when it refuses to prosecute Tony Blair for war crimes? The Pope is safe.

Jesus fucking Christ, do you read the posts you respond to? You're making yourself look worse than anyone else could. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What Seth plays down, much to his discredit, is the systematic way the abuse was covered up, and the abusers protected, not just by a few rogue elements, but systematically, by the church hierarchy as a whole. It happened, Seth, and if you want to be in denial about it, then fuck off!

But Seth doesn't care about the topic, he's only here to argue.

[Svartalf]

What Seth plays down, much to his discredit, is the systematic way the abuse was covered up, and the abusers protected, not just by a few rogue elements, but systematically, by the church hierarchy as a whole. It happened, Seth, and if you want to be in denial about it, then fuck off!

Come on... it happens everywhere the wold over.
When you're part of a government that is rife with corruption, you cannot allow that fact to ruin the fact that you are using that corrupt ridden system as a tool of dommination... 95% of world governments would have to self dissolve if they had to get rid of corruption and actually punish the evil doers.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What Seth plays down, much to his discredit, is the systematic way the abuse was covered up, and the abusers protected, not just by a few rogue elements, but systematically, by the church hierarchy as a whole. It happened, Seth, and if you want to be in denial about it, then fuck off!

Come on... it happens everywhere the wold over.
When you're part of a government that is rife with corruption, you cannot allow that fact to ruin the fact that you are using that corrupt ridden system as a tool of dommination... 95% of world governments would have to self dissolve if they had to get rid of corruption and actually punish the evil doers.

If there a government today that has 1600 years of this kind of shit?

[Svartalf]

Depends how you consider their taking their predessors' inheritance... If the Italians endors what local gummints have done since Rome, they are even older than that.

[Seth]

Isn't Seth head of a NAMBLA chapter?

Fuck you, you asshole. That's an insult that would get the shit beaten out of you if you had the courage to say it to my face, which you don't. How dare you!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Isn't Seth head of a NAMBLA chapter?

Fuck you, you asshole. That's an insult that would get the shit beaten out of you if you had the courage to say it to my face, which you don't. How dare you!

Then why are you taking up their side?

[Seth]

Isn't Seth head of a NAMBLA chapter?

From the rigorousness of his defense I suspect deep waters lie under the surface here.

Rigorous defense of what, reason? That's all I'm defending, reason and logic, and I'm opposing mindless bigotry and irrationality.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Isn't Seth head of a NAMBLA chapter?

From the rigorousness of his defense I suspect deep waters lie under the surface here.

Rigorous defense of what, reason? That's all I'm defending, reason and logic, and I'm opposing mindless bigotry and irrationality.

Yeah, sure, of course you are.

[Seth]

Isn't Seth head of a NAMBLA chapter?

Fuck you, you asshole. That's an insult that would get the shit beaten out of you if you had the courage to say it to my face, which you don't. How dare you!

Then why are you taking up their side?

Taking up whose side? Pedophiles? I challenge you to demonstrate how I've shown one iota of support for pedophiles. I'm taking up the side of the billion or so Catholics, including Catholic priests, who are NOT child molesters, all of whom fuckwits like you smear and malign in your mindless bigoted hatred that is anything but rational.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Righttttt.

[Seth]

When, and under what circumstances will you ever be willing to say "the Catholic church has done its penance and compensated the victims...

When the bastards put a stop to the kiddy fiddling,

Which they have done. In the last ten years there have been but a handful of reports of Catholic priests perpetrating sexual abuse, and the church has cooperated fully with criminal investigations and has defrocked those convicted. Try to keep up with the news of the day rather than engaging your Wayback Machine fallacy generator all the time.

cooperate with secular authorities whenever child abuse is suspected and stop trying to shift the blame away from themselves.

They are. But it figures that anti-Catholic bigots would give no attention whatsoever to the efforts of the church to prevent future incidents and compensate those who were injured. That the church does not simply admit guilt to every claim that's been made is only good sense. Anyone can CLAIM to have been molested 50 years ago, and the church is perfectly entitled to demand that the case be proved before settling, and it's spend hundreds of millions settling legitimate claims.

...and may now be forgiven for those past sins and crimes?"

That you think those "past sins and crimes" are deserving of forgiveness says a lot about you, none of it good, but I'd applaud genuine contrition.

Oh, I see, you're the type who thinks that people today should continue to pay the price for the actions of others, many of whom are now dead, that took place decades ago. That being the case, I'm sure I could find some skeletons in your family's closet for which you must pay penance for forever.

The church is a dynamic thing. People live and die and life moves on. At some point everyone involved in the acts of the 1950s will be dead and the church will be comprised of people who had nothing whatever to do with those events. Will that be enough for you, or does your bigotry run so deep that anyone who claims to be a Catholic until the end of time must accept responsibility for things they did not do and do not approve of? Are you really that much of a mindless hater? Is there no recognition at all in you that of the billion Catholics in the world, all but a very few of them, perhaps 4 or 5 thousand in the last 50 years, are good people who are not pedophiles and who are as horrified with the malfeasance of criminal priests as you are, and that they are not responsible for those acts?

I'm fine with excoriating the people who actually perpetrated wrongs against anyone, in the Catholic church or out of it, but the vitriolic smearing you're engaged in against people who are entirely innocent of wrongdoing and want nothing more than to peaceably worship as they choose is disgusting beyond belief.

When will you be able to be tolerant of the religious rights and needs of the billion Catholics in the world, or are you their implacable and eternal enemy?

When the religious show tolerance to those that disagree with them. The Catholic church doesn't have e very admirable record in this regard.

And what do you mean by "tolerance?" I suspect you mean "acceptance" and "silence" rather than "tolerance."

...and I've just noticed this nugget:

And you should be aware of the fact that the Catholic church has given out (and continues to give out) hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements with 4000 or so legitimate victims of sex abuse by priests.

Given out? More like "had taken from them".

The church has paid out court settlements and it has also voluntarily settled many abuse claims without being ordered by any court to do so, a fact which you would know if you knew anything about the subject other than your own bigoted and narrow-minded viewpoint.

[Seth]

They don't keep their promises because they're all cronies in this this. There are no innocent priests.

Mindless bigotry.