David Cameron's Assault on the Homeless

[.Morticia.]

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone

Prove it was marxist policies that caused the deaths, not tyrants who used the language of marxism to justify their actions.

[MarkS]

I thought the "dialectic" in this case had something to do with the Hegelian supposedly "historical" thesis, antithesis and synthesis - "laws" of history that really don't exist?

Or I could be talking crap. Anyway, the UK is in no way a socialist country and the Fucking Tories should not be cutting help for the homeless just as there are about to be more of them.

[.Morticia.]

fer one thing no one talks about dialectics

because it's meaningless crap and everyone knows it

Strange that you think Socrates spouted "meaningless crap."

here you go again

You are LYING again . You stated marxian dialectics, not socratic. Stop putting words in my mouth.

the rest of your argument, because it is founded on a lie, is completely false and irrelevent

go try your stuff on someone who doesn't know all lies and tricks.

Dialectic is based on a dialogue between two or more people who may hold differing views, yet wish to seek the truth of the matter through the exchange of their viewpoints while applying reason. This differs from a debate, in which both sides are committed to their viewpoint and only wish to win the debate by persuading or proving themselves right (or the other side wrong) – and thus a jury or judge is often needed to decide the matter. It also differs from rhetoric, which is oratory that appeals to logos, pathos, or ethos. Rhetoric is communication designed to persuade an audience to side with a particular argument or action. source: Wikipedia

I would agree with you insofar as "no Marxist talks about dialectics" however, because the vast majority of Marxists are too stupid and ignorant to even know what the word means, much less have the capacity to engage in dialog and reason. Most Marxists are proletarian dupes who are the victims of Marxist propaganda and, like Mao's chanting schoolchildren, have no more thought or reason involved in their support of Marxism than sloganeering and propagandistic rhetoric. The reason that even the Marxist elite class don't engage the Marxist dialectic is that whenever Marxism is subjected to dialog and reason, it vanishes in a flash of rational insight the moment that people come to understand how utterly idiotic and mindless it actually is. That's why Marxists use propaganda, not dialectic, to sway people to the cause using populist arguments and class warfare based rhetoric and propaganda; because the moment anyone stops and actually thinks about Marxism and it's inevitable results, they reject it in horror. This is why Marxist execute "counterrevolutionaries" and the ideologically impure in every Marxist state. Because the ideology can brook no dissent and cannot withstand independent thought or reason, so Marxists have to exterminate every intellectual or educated person who might be able to explain the flaws in Marx's plot, as Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge did in Cambodia and as Mao and Stalin also did.

what counts is

fact based economic and social analysis

In which case Marxism fails at every turn, every time it's been attempted, usually catastrophically and with great suffering and privation.

and compassion

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone.

[sandinista]

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone.

thanks for the laugh, haven't heard that pile of BS for a while. At least that's better than the capitalists responsible for 200 million brutal murders in the last century. Before you ask where I got that stat, let me answer you...from the same place you got yours...directly from my asshole.

[Seth]

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone.

thanks for the laugh, haven't heard that pile of BS for a while. At least that's better than the capitalists responsible for 200 million brutal murders in the last century. Before you ask where I got that stat, let me answer you...from the same place you got yours...directly from my asshole.

Came from Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, mostly. They were Marxists, after all.

[sandinista]

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone.

thanks for the laugh, haven't heard that pile of BS for a while. At least that's better than the capitalists responsible for 200 million brutal murders in the last century. Before you ask where I got that stat, let me answer you...from the same place you got yours...directly from my asshole.

Came from Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, mostly. They were Marxists, after all.

where's the number 100 million from?

[Seth]

fer one thing no one talks about dialectics

because it's meaningless crap and everyone knows it

Strange that you think Socrates spouted "meaningless crap."

here you go again

You are LYING again . You stated marxian dialectics, not socratic. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Problem is, Morticia, YOU are the one who said said "dialectics are meaningless crap," not "Marxist dialectics are meaningless crap." I was pointing that error out, but evidently you didn't get the hint... But I would agree that Marxist dialectics ARE meaningless crap, just like everything else Marx, and every Marxist since Marx, has written, spoken or thought. It's all meaningless crap. Unfortunately, it's meaningless crap that has cost the lives of a hundred million or more people.

the rest of your argument, because it is founded on a lie, is completely false and irrelevent

So you say. But then again I expect nothing less from self-professed Marxists, who of course resort to Alinsky tactic and Marxist propaganda and rhetoric to disparage a critic while simultaneously evading any actual...well...dialectic on the subject. This evasion simply proves what I say below.

go try your stuff on someone who doesn't know all lies and tricks.

Thanks for admitting that all you know are lies and tricks.

Dialectic is based on a dialogue between two or more people who may hold differing views, yet wish to seek the truth of the matter through the exchange of their viewpoints while applying reason. This differs from a debate, in which both sides are committed to their viewpoint and only wish to win the debate by persuading or proving themselves right (or the other side wrong) – and thus a jury or judge is often needed to decide the matter. It also differs from rhetoric, which is oratory that appeals to logos, pathos, or ethos. Rhetoric is communication designed to persuade an audience to side with a particular argument or action. source: Wikipedia

I would agree with you insofar as "no Marxist talks about dialectics" however, because the vast majority of Marxists are too stupid and ignorant to even know what the word means, much less have the capacity to engage in dialog and reason. Most Marxists are proletarian dupes who are the victims of Marxist propaganda and, like Mao's chanting schoolchildren, have no more thought or reason involved in their support of Marxism than sloganeering and propagandistic rhetoric. The reason that even the Marxist elite class don't engage the Marxist dialectic is that whenever Marxism is subjected to dialog and reason, it vanishes in a flash of rational insight the moment that people come to understand how utterly idiotic and mindless it actually is. That's why Marxists use propaganda, not dialectic, to sway people to the cause using populist arguments and class warfare based rhetoric and propaganda; because the moment anyone stops and actually thinks about Marxism and it's inevitable results, they reject it in horror. This is why Marxist execute "counterrevolutionaries" and the ideologically impure in every Marxist state. Because the ideology can brook no dissent and cannot withstand independent thought or reason, so Marxists have to exterminate every intellectual or educated person who might be able to explain the flaws in Marx's plot, as Pol Pot and the Khymer Rouge did in Cambodia and as Mao and Stalin also did.

[.Morticia.]

200 million killed by capitalism?

it's probably much more more when you count all the famines , premature deaths from disease, genocide and casualties of war caused by Capitalists.

[Seth]

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone.

thanks for the laugh, haven't heard that pile of BS for a while. At least that's better than the capitalists responsible for 200 million brutal murders in the last century. Before you ask where I got that stat, let me answer you...from the same place you got yours...directly from my asshole.

Came from Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, mostly. They were Marxists, after all.

where's the number 100 million from?

Estimates of the murders perpetrated by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

[.Morticia.]

Help me. SETH called me by my user name as if I'm a child. .... lol

Give the tricks a break. I know them ALL. I used to be an exit counsellor

and a machiavellian business strategist.

[Seth]

Help me. SETH called me by my user name as if I'm a child. .... lol

Give the tricks a break. I know them ALL. I used to be an exit counsellor

and a machiavellian business strategist.

Which begs the question of why you appear incapable of actually engaging in dialectical examination of Marxism.

[sandinista]

Marxists have no place discussing compassion, since Marxism is directly responsible for some 100 million brutal deaths in the last century alone.

thanks for the laugh, haven't heard that pile of BS for a while. At least that's better than the capitalists responsible for 200 million brutal murders in the last century. Before you ask where I got that stat, let me answer you...from the same place you got yours...directly from my asshole.

Came from Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, mostly. They were Marxists, after all.

where's the number 100 million from?

Estimates of the murders perpetrated by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

yah, who's estimates? Yours?

[Seth]

where's the number 100 million from?

Estimates of the murders perpetrated by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

yah, who's estimates? Yours?

No, the estimates of numerous scholars on the subject. Are you now denying the purges in the USSR, China and Cambodia? Is that your latest bit of Marxist propaganda, that the Gulags and the Road of Bones didn't exist? That the killing fields of Cambodia are fictions? That Mao's starving his own people to death is not a historical fact?

Really? That's the equivalent of Holocaust denial. Are you sure you want to go there?

[sandinista]

where's the number 100 million from?

Estimates of the murders perpetrated by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

yah, who's estimates? Yours?

No, the estimates of numerous scholars on the subject. Are you now denying the purges in the USSR, China and Cambodia? Is that your latest bit of Marxist propaganda, that the Gulags and the Road of Bones didn't exist? That the killing fields of Cambodia are fictions? That Mao's starving his own people to death is not a historical fact?

Really? That's the equivalent of Holocaust denial. Are you sure you want to go there?

What "scholars"? You and your roomates? I'm asking where you get the number 100 million from. Again, your ass?

[Seth]

where's the number 100 million from?

Estimates of the murders perpetrated by Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

yah, who's estimates? Yours?

No, the estimates of numerous scholars on the subject. Are you now denying the purges in the USSR, China and Cambodia? Is that your latest bit of Marxist propaganda, that the Gulags and the Road of Bones didn't exist? That the killing fields of Cambodia are fictions? That Mao's starving his own people to death is not a historical fact?

Really? That's the equivalent of Holocaust denial. Are you sure you want to go there?

What "scholars"? You and your roomates? I'm asking where you get the number 100 million from. Again, your ass?

Nah. That's where your Alinsky tactics come from.

Here's one interesting table that indicates the total may be nearer 250 million.