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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Don't Panic » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:24 pm

Gawd wrote:The death penalty is a good thing. Why crowd the prison system and waste taxpayer money just so that you lock someone up for god so many years? Locking someone up for many years is a form of torture. It is much more humane to just kill them. All that you are doing is pro-longing the suffering by keeping them alive. There is nothing wrong with sentencing someone to death for serious crimes. They are a lost cause and it is highly illogical to confine them in small spaces for years on end instead of just giving them a quick injection or the guillotine.
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:25 pm

Don't Panic wrote:
Gawd wrote:The death penalty is a good thing. Why crowd the prison system and waste taxpayer money just so that you lock someone up for god so many years? Locking someone up for many years is a form of torture. It is much more humane to just kill them. All that you are doing is pro-longing the suffering by keeping them alive. There is nothing wrong with sentencing someone to death for serious crimes. They are a lost cause and it is highly illogical to confine them in small spaces for years on end instead of just giving them a quick injection or the guillotine.
This is the first thing you've written here that I can say I agree with.
You agree with that? Damn.
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Kristie » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:25 pm

Don't Panic wrote:
Gawd wrote:The death penalty is a good thing. Why crowd the prison system and waste taxpayer money just so that you lock someone up for god so many years? Locking someone up for many years is a form of torture. It is much more humane to just kill them. All that you are doing is pro-longing the suffering by keeping them alive. There is nothing wrong with sentencing someone to death for serious crimes. They are a lost cause and it is highly illogical to confine them in small spaces for years on end instead of just giving them a quick injection or the guillotine.
This is the first thing you've written here that I can say I agree with.
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:26 pm

I find it remarkable how enamoured America is with capital punishment.
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Post by Kristie » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:28 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:I find it remarkable how enamoured America is with capital punishment.
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:31 pm

As far as I am aware Capital Punishment has never solved crime problems, and murder rastes are higher in practicing countries. If that is the case then to be pro-capital punishment you must accept that you are happier to have more murder in your country in exchange for your punishment of choice. I cannot see how anyone can defend that position.
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Don't Panic » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:33 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
Don't Panic wrote:
Gawd wrote:The death penalty is a good thing. Why crowd the prison system and waste taxpayer money just so that you lock someone up for god so many years? Locking someone up for many years is a form of torture. It is much more humane to just kill them. All that you are doing is pro-longing the suffering by keeping them alive. There is nothing wrong with sentencing someone to death for serious crimes. They are a lost cause and it is highly illogical to confine them in small spaces for years on end instead of just giving them a quick injection or the guillotine.
This is the first thing you've written here that I can say I agree with.
You agree with that? Damn.
I been a long time supporter of capital punishment, the prison system is a drain on the economy.
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:35 pm

Don't Panic wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Don't Panic wrote:
Gawd wrote:The death penalty is a good thing. Why crowd the prison system and waste taxpayer money just so that you lock someone up for god so many years? Locking someone up for many years is a form of torture. It is much more humane to just kill them. All that you are doing is pro-longing the suffering by keeping them alive. There is nothing wrong with sentencing someone to death for serious crimes. They are a lost cause and it is highly illogical to confine them in small spaces for years on end instead of just giving them a quick injection or the guillotine.
This is the first thing you've written here that I can say I agree with.
You agree with that? Damn.
I been a long time supporter of capital punishment, the prison system is a drain on the economy.
Oh dear god, you said that out loud.

Can we get a few priorities straight? If you're making an economic argument then, leaving aside the fact that execution costs more than imprisonment, are you really telling me that this is the best assault you can make on the national debt? Do me a favour.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Don't Panic » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:41 pm

Meekychuppet wrote:
Don't Panic wrote:
Meekychuppet wrote:
Don't Panic wrote:
Gawd wrote:The death penalty is a good thing. Why crowd the prison system and waste taxpayer money just so that you lock someone up for god so many years? Locking someone up for many years is a form of torture. It is much more humane to just kill them. All that you are doing is pro-longing the suffering by keeping them alive. There is nothing wrong with sentencing someone to death for serious crimes. They are a lost cause and it is highly illogical to confine them in small spaces for years on end instead of just giving them a quick injection or the guillotine.
This is the first thing you've written here that I can say I agree with.
You agree with that? Damn.
I been a long time supporter of capital punishment, the prison system is a drain on the economy.
Oh dear god, you said that out loud.

Can we get a few priorities straight? If you're making an economic argument then, leaving aside the fact that execution costs more than imprisonment, are you really telling me that this is the best assault you can make on the national debt? Do me a favour.
Not the only reason, but an effective one, you say capital punishment doesn't reduce crime rates, it certainly prevents the same person from committing that crime again, and the prisons are full of repeat offenders.

I don't care that you disagree with me, but no amount of education will alter a psychopathic or sociopathic personality.
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Post by stripes4 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:44 pm

The economy? There are plenty of things that are a drain on the economy!!! Perfectly fit and healthy people that can't be bothered to work and claim social support, while others work to pay for their lives. Can we tackle that before we start killing people that may or may not be murderers? Animals kill instinctively in aggression and when protecting their young, or territory. We have evolved laws and systems and reason and communication and thought and justice and processes way over and above what animals have done. This is why we can't pick and choose, in my opinion, to be thinking creatures, but then to put that to one side and just tackle murder with more murder? We can do better, ffs. We have brainz?
I am also not promoting that we educate or socialise psychopaths and sociopaths. I was married to one long enough to know this is impossible, but the other option - to kill them is at best, lazy and unimaginative.
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Post by Don't Panic » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:46 pm

stripes4 wrote:I am also not promoting that we educate or socialise psychopaths and sociopaths. I was married to one long enough to know this is impossible, but the other option - to kill them is at best, lazy and unimaginative.
What would you suggest we do with them? It may be lazy and unimaginative but it's a permanent solution, at a low expense and makes society safer.
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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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Post by mistermack » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:46 pm

Don't Panic wrote:I don't care that you disagree with me, but no amount of education will alter a psychopathic or sociopathic personality.
I don't think anybody has said it will.
But no amount of apologising will bring an innocent person back to life, once they've been executed.
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Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:47 pm

Don't Panic wrote: Not the only reason, but an effective one, you say capital punishment doesn't reduce crime rates, it certainly prevents the same person from committing that crime again, and the prisons are full of repeat offenders.

I don't care that you disagree with me, but no amount of education will alter a psychopathic or sociopathic personality.
Using the 'offenders' is pointless when discussing capital crimes. Are the prisons full of repeat murderers? I doubt that very much. You've pretty much ignored what I said about higher murder rates in practicing countries and I have explained that capital punishment costs more than imprisonment. Your argument is patent nonsense.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

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Re: The Death Penalty is a Good Thing

Post by Meekychuppet » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:48 pm

Don't Panic wrote:
stripes4 wrote:I am also not promoting that we educate or socialise psychopaths and sociopaths. I was married to one long enough to know this is impossible, but the other option - to kill them is at best, lazy and unimaginative.
What would you suggest we do with them? It may be lazy and unimaginative but it's a permanent solution, at a low expense and makes society safer.
You've been told twice that it doesn't make society safer. Capital crime rates are higher in practicing countries.

This is the problem I have encountered without fail in every proponent of CP I have ever met. They make arguments that are long since debunked and flatly refuse to accept the harsh reality that their beloved idea simply does not work.
Rum wrote:Does it occur to you that you have subscribed to the model of maleness you seem to be pushing in order to justify your innately hostile and aggressive nature? I have noticed it often and even wondered if it might be some sort of personality disorder. You should consider this possibility.

Rum wrote:Did I leave out being a twat? (With ref to your sig)
Things Rum has diagnosed me with to date: "personality disorder", autism, Aspergers.
eRvin wrote:People can see what a fucking freak you are. Have you not noticed all the disparaging comments you get?
rum wrote:What a cunt you are. Truly.

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