Mystery Missile

[Blondie]

I work for the Office of Naval Intelligence. My security clearance, I guarantee you, far exceeds yours.

Well, maybe. But my dick is bigger than yours.

ScienceRob is a former ballistic missile submarine sailor.

So fucking what? I don't mean to be insulting but exactly how does that make him an expert? What was his role? What was his level of knowledge? How does his former role and associated knowledge apply to what I'm saying?

I'd say we've both got you beat cold in the "I know what I'm talking about" department!

Depends on what we're talking about. So far you've been misrepresenting what I write and responding to strawmen.

It doesn't take much to become a commander, huh? And you know this how, exactly?

You've been an officer for eleven years and shown a degree of competency. Congratulations.

I guess my eleven years as a naval officer and a Masters degree in Strategic Intelligence doesn't compare to your understanding of applied math.

No. No it doesn't. Not even close. Unless we're talking strategy. We're not.

What good is your engineering background when you've got little more than a piece of video?

Let's see.. I was referring to my educational background to backup my suggestion that a submerged weapons platform which could launch missiles was not only feasible, but not even complicated. So your question doesn't even make sense.

You're applying conspiracy theories to things you don't have any experience in.

What conspiracy theories have I applied? You're the one who keeps misrepresenting what I write so it appears I'm claiming the "missile" was a USN op. I said it was Al Qaeda as a joke.

You are completely full of fail, my friend

No. Actually my grade average is 98.6%. A long way from fail.

Go work on your Critical Thinking skills.

Now that's funny. How about you go work on your reading comprehension skills?

Also: If you're defending yourself by not claiming it was not necessarily a US military thing, why did you start out by calling it "another bullshit DoD cover-up"?

DERP!

First off, my early posts were joking in nature. Second, later I was under the impression they were claiming it was categorically not a missile. I think they haven't actually made a statement on what "it actually was" as of yet.

Now, just for being a dick, I'm going to see about getting you demoted and transferred to some shit post.

[Coito ergo sum]

Now their over New York!!!!! http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/10/ ... e-nyc-sky/

Oh, the humanity!

The government is covering it up! It's aliens! They're here and "they" don't want you to know....

It turns out the lights were part of a hoax. Prosecutors said two men with too much time on their hands pulled off the trick with five flares, fishing line and helium balloons.

[leo-rcc]

I bet AboveTopSecret is loving this.

[mistermack]

I cannot believe some of the bullsit comments on this, or Michio Kaku.
There is no doubt whatsoever this is a large missile launch. It's either a hoax by the people who produced the footage, or a US military missile.
There's no other possibility. How incredibly gullible would you need to be, to believe that was a passenger jet trail?
It's far too big and thick for a jet vapour trail. And it's pretty clear it's a single engine.
If not a hoax, it could only be american, as any foreign launch would have had international consequences.
And Michio Kaku contradicted himself about three times in that clip, I don't know what planet he's on.

[Coito ergo sum]

I cannot believe some of the bullsit comments on this, or Michio Kaku.
There is no doubt whatsoever this is a large missile launch.

Obviously too slow to be a missile.

Whatever it is, it's a big nothing. Who gives a fuck? It's not aliens, and it's not a danger to the United States. It was proceeding east and if it was a missile (unless it was a space rocket) it would have hit the ground somewhere.

[Ian]

I cannot believe some of the bullsit comments on this, or Michio Kaku.
There is no doubt whatsoever this is a large missile launch. It's either a hoax by the people who produced the footage, or a US military missile.
There's no other possibility. How incredibly gullible would you need to be, to believe that was a passenger jet trail?
It's far too big and thick for a jet vapour trail. And it's pretty clear it's a single engine.
If not a hoax, it could only be american, as any foreign launch would have had international consequences.
And Michio Kaku contradicted himself about three times in that clip, I don't know what planet he's on.

And, it's also far too big and thick to be anything launched by an sea-based platform! SLBMs aren't that big, and I kinda doubt the Navy is going to wheel a NASA-sized rocket out on a barge within sight of Los Angeles and light it off just to see if it can do it.

I agree - if it were a missile, it could only be American. Russian SLBM-type tests take place in the Barents Sea, and no Chinese submarine in the history of China has ever been that close to the US. Unless someone wants to claim that it was the Mexicans...
So look beyond the how and ask yourself why: why would the US conduct such a test, right off the coast of LA within sight of a news helicopter, and then claim to not have any idea what it was? And, why would Russia stay quiet about their detection of it? That'd raise all kinds of hell in the media, not to mention at the UN: an unannounced major missile test would be a violation of I-don't-know-how-many treaties. You don't get to light off rockets by surprise without first announcing launch box areas, closure areas, etc.

There's something conspiracy theorists always like to overlook: why. Does a surprise missile launch make any sense at all?

How incredibly gullible do you need to be, to believe that it was a secret military test?

Oh, and Anthroban: Try typing up a coherent thought instead of just dissecting bits and pieces of my posts. If you were joking earlier, it sure didn't sound like it (other than the crack about Al Qaeda): you mentioned "bullshit DoD cover-up" and then clung to notions that it must've been a rocket. If you're going to continue defending the idea that this was some DoD cover-up, give us some meat to chew on. Or, once you finally realize that you're defending an outlandish wingnut conspiracy theory, you can bow out of the debate gracefully. 'Round here, that's generally done by simply not posting again in the subject thread.

[mistermack]

Ian, you live in a fantasy world. I hope it's a nice place, but I'm happy with reality thanks.

[Coito ergo sum]

Even if it was a missile, which has not been established in the least, but even if it was: who gives a crap? What's the big deal? It's not like it would come as a shock to anyone that the US has rockets that can go up in the air. This doesn't tell our enemies anything, doesn't give them any pause, doesn't suggest we have some new-and-improved system, doesn't imply a strength or a vulnerability.

It's not a missile, but even if it was, what the fuck are they hiding? The fact that we have missiles? No. The fact that we test missiles? No. The fact that we are working on better ballistic missiles and better anti-ballistic missiles? No. Everybody already knows those things.

And, lastly - where did the missile come down? Answer - didn't. Missiles come down unless they go to space. If it was a rocket large enough to go into space, it would look much different than it did.

In short, it was a slow moving thing with a trail behind it, heading east, and it didn't crash. How many things could it possibly be?

[GrahamH]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

[Coito ergo sum]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

Very convenient......

[Rum]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

[Coito ergo sum]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

...I wasn't sure how a missile could travel leisurely through the sky....but....maybe that's the conspiracy....lol

[Ian]

Ian, you live in a fantasy world. I hope it's a nice place, but I'm happy with reality thanks.

Still want to say that in light of the Flight 808 information?

If you ever manage to prove that it was indeed a missile, then I'll stop thinking you're insane. Until then...

[Coito ergo sum]

[Blondie]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

Right. I'll wait for the FAA to tell me what flight it was, not some quack on his blog.

Ian, you live in a fantasy world. I hope it's a nice place, but I'm happy with reality thanks.

Still want to say that in light of the Flight 808 information?

If you ever manage to prove that it was indeed a missile, then I'll stop thinking you're insane. Until then...

What information? Did the Pentagon make a press release? Did the FAA? No, just some idiot quack on his blog. Don't have time to do a detailed comparison, but the contrail of flight 808 and the "missile" trail are not the same. I'd like to see a video, frame by frame, to compare his flight 808 to the "missile" from the same relative position the helicopter had. I wonder if 808 wobbles its course like the "missile" in the video - it must be an amazing model because it's physically not possible for an airliner to do that.

"Oh, if I look at this from a different angle and a different relative position, they sorta don't look the same but kinda. Maybe this'll get me on the news!"

What a twat. Let's hear from some real sources.