The case against guns

[Seth]

Well said, Daedalus.

Seth is definitely a case in point, and seems determined to make the same mistakes a legion of times.

Pot, kettle, black.

[Daedalus]

Whatever you say champ.

Ipse dixit, quod erat demonstrandum.

Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.

I couldn't agree more, so quit making the same stupid mistake again and again, okay?

Wow... you went from Latin to, "I know you are, but what am I?!" in one post.


@Blind: Yeah, I'm getting that. I looked through some of his posting history, and it seems he's basically the usual right-wing/libertarian conspiracy nut where guns are concerned. Interesting that he found his way here.

[Hermit]

Interesting that he found his way here.

Not really. It's merely a mathematically calculable probability. The more forums people get banned from, the more likely it is that they finish up posting at one that doesn't do bannings.

Well, almost no bannings. CJ got banned after a starchamber-like kangaroo court case was concluded. If you are curious enough to enquire about particulars, I'm sure the usual channels will inform you with the facts. Well, the facts as they see them.

[Daedalus]

Interesting that he found his way here.

Not really. It's merely a mathematically calculable probability. The more forums people get banned from, the more likely it is that they finish up posting at one that doesn't do bannings.

Well, almost no bannings. CJ got banned after a starchamber-like kangaroo court case was concluded. If you are curious enough to enquire about particulars, I'm sure the usual channels will inform you with the facts. Well, the facts as they see them.

Eh, I don't really care about forum politics. What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

[Hermit]

What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

It's a pathological need to pontificate on the subject of whatever it is one so fervently believes in, to evangelise accordingly, and to feel as though one is making some sort of a difference by doing so. Evangelists go out of their way to interact with people whose views are abhorrent to them, believe me. At least two members within my closish family are fundamentalist christians with an evangelist bent, and that is what they want to do.

[Daedalus]

What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

It's a pathological need to pontificate on the subject of whatever it is one so fervently believes in, to evangelise accordingly, and to feel as though one is making some sort of a difference by doing so. Evangelists go out of their way to interact with people whose views are abhorrent to them, believe me. At least two members within my closish family are fundamentalist christians with an evangelist bent, and that is what they want to do.

Sounds really pathetic, but not surprising.

[Seth]

What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

It's a pathological need to pontificate on the subject of whatever it is one so fervently believes in, to evangelise accordingly, and to feel as though one is making some sort of a difference by doing so. Evangelists go out of their way to interact with people whose views are abhorrent to them, believe me. At least two members within my closish family are fundamentalist christians with an evangelist bent, and that is what they want to do.

How about the pathological inability to shut the fuck up and mind your own business if you don't like the subject or tone of the debate? I find that far more offensive than someone who wants to expound upon and defend their position in an entirely-voluntary on-line forum.

[Seth]

Whatever you say champ.

Ipse dixit, quod erat demonstrandum.

Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.

I couldn't agree more, so quit making the same stupid mistake again and again, okay?

Wow... you went from Latin to, "I know you are, but what am I?!" in one post.


@Blind: Yeah, I'm getting that. I looked through some of his posting history, and it seems he's basically the usual right-wing/libertarian conspiracy nut where guns are concerned. Interesting that he found his way here.

Actually, I was INVITED here after the fuckwits at RatSkep couldn't take it and violated their own rules and ethics to ban me.

[Seth]

Interesting that he found his way here.

Not really. It's merely a mathematically calculable probability. The more forums people get banned from, the more likely it is that they finish up posting at one that doesn't do bannings.

Well, almost no bannings. CJ got banned after a starchamber-like kangaroo court case was concluded. If you are curious enough to enquire about particulars, I'm sure the usual channels will inform you with the facts. Well, the facts as they see them.

Eh, I don't really care about forum politics. What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

Because it's great fun and good practice for rhetorical sparring in real life. You guys are the very essence of useful idiots in that regard. And that's WHY I'm the Grand Master Zen Troll.

Besides, every once and a while I encounter a pearl among the swine.

Go find my welcome thread if you want to get the whole story.

[Daedalus]

Interesting that he found his way here.

Not really. It's merely a mathematically calculable probability. The more forums people get banned from, the more likely it is that they finish up posting at one that doesn't do bannings.

Well, almost no bannings. CJ got banned after a starchamber-like kangaroo court case was concluded. If you are curious enough to enquire about particulars, I'm sure the usual channels will inform you with the facts. Well, the facts as they see them.

Eh, I don't really care about forum politics. What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

Because it's great fun and good practice for rhetorical sparring in real life. You guys are the very essence of useful idiots in that regard. And that's WHY I'm the Grand Master Zen Troll.

Besides, every once and a while I encounter a pearl among the swine.

Go find my welcome thread if you want to get the whole story.

So let me get this straight... your idea of practice for real life is to spar with people you think are idiots?

Bottom line though, is that you're a troll? Oh...

[Hermit]

What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

It's a pathological need to pontificate on the subject of whatever it is one so fervently believes in, to evangelise accordingly, and to feel as though one is making some sort of a difference by doing so. Evangelists go out of their way to interact with people whose views are abhorrent to them, believe me. At least two members within my closish family are fundamentalist christians with an evangelist bent, and that is what they want to do.

How about the pathological inability to shut the fuck up and mind your own business if you don't like the subject or tone of the debate? I find that far more offensive than someone who wants to expound upon and defend their position in an entirely-voluntary on-line forum.

Now I'm trying to imagine that you look beautiful when you are angry. I really am.

[Seth]

Interesting that he found his way here.

Not really. It's merely a mathematically calculable probability. The more forums people get banned from, the more likely it is that they finish up posting at one that doesn't do bannings.

Well, almost no bannings. CJ got banned after a starchamber-like kangaroo court case was concluded. If you are curious enough to enquire about particulars, I'm sure the usual channels will inform you with the facts. Well, the facts as they see them.

Eh, I don't really care about forum politics. What I find interesting, despite the lack of bannings, is why someone would chose to preach their particular gospel in a universally hostile and ridiculing environment.

Is it a sense of pseudo-martyrdom or missionary zeal? Is it as you say, a lack of other options? Stupidity?

Most people like Seth can only tolerate the company of their own kind, it's an interesting anomaly when they find their way to a place like this, and stay.

Because it's great fun and good practice for rhetorical sparring in real life. You guys are the very essence of useful idiots in that regard. And that's WHY I'm the Grand Master Zen Troll.

Besides, every once and a while I encounter a pearl among the swine.

Go find my welcome thread if you want to get the whole story.

So let me get this straight... your idea of practice for real life is to spar with people you think are idiots?

Well, I did say "useful idiots." And yes, there are a LOT of idiots, useful and otherwise out here in the real world, so knowing how to deal with them is a survival skill.

Bottom line though, is that you're a troll? Oh...

I'm just quoting one of my fans. In any event, it depends on what you mean by "troll" and "to be trolled."

Posting provocatively in order to elicit heated responses has proven to be an effective way to penetrate the facade people put up on the Internet and get glimpses of their true feelings. When people get hot under the collar, they tend to revert to their training, which in this case means to resort to the mindless dogmas and tired arguments that are worn into their neuronal structure. I find it interesting to explore those pathways and even attempt to break them and create new ones.

[Daedalus]

So let me get this straight... your idea of practice for real life is to spar with people you think are idiots?

Well, I did say "useful idiots." And yes, there are a LOT of idiots, useful and otherwise out here in the real world, so knowing how to deal with them is a survival skill.

Bottom line though, is that you're a troll? Oh...

I'm just quoting one of my fans. In any event, it depends on what you mean by "troll" and "to be trolled."

Posting provocatively in order to elicit heated responses has proven to be an effective way to penetrate the facade people put up on the Internet and get glimpses of their true feelings. When people get hot under the collar, they tend to revert to their training, which in this case means to resort to the mindless dogmas and tired arguments that are worn into their neuronal structure. I find it interesting to explore those pathways and even attempt to break them and create new ones.

There are two kinds of trolls... the creative, funny, socially disruptive kind who coined the term... and the other 99.99%.
That latter group, of which you seem to be a part, are some of the most predictable, and therefore boring people on or offline.

The only truly great crime online, is being boring.

[Seth]

So let me get this straight... your idea of practice for real life is to spar with people you think are idiots?

Well, I did say "useful idiots." And yes, there are a LOT of idiots, useful and otherwise out here in the real world, so knowing how to deal with them is a survival skill.

Bottom line though, is that you're a troll? Oh...

I'm just quoting one of my fans. In any event, it depends on what you mean by "troll" and "to be trolled."

Posting provocatively in order to elicit heated responses has proven to be an effective way to penetrate the facade people put up on the Internet and get glimpses of their true feelings. When people get hot under the collar, they tend to revert to their training, which in this case means to resort to the mindless dogmas and tired arguments that are worn into their neuronal structure. I find it interesting to explore those pathways and even attempt to break them and create new ones.

There are two kinds of trolls... the creative, funny, socially disruptive kind who coined the term... and the other 99.99%.
That latter group, of which you seem to be a part, are some of the most predictable, and therefore boring people on or offline.

The only truly great crime online, is being boring.

And yet you're here, hook, line and sinker, being played on the end of my rod.

[Daedalus]

So let me get this straight... your idea of practice for real life is to spar with people you think are idiots?

Well, I did say "useful idiots." And yes, there are a LOT of idiots, useful and otherwise out here in the real world, so knowing how to deal with them is a survival skill.

Bottom line though, is that you're a troll? Oh...

I'm just quoting one of my fans. In any event, it depends on what you mean by "troll" and "to be trolled."

Posting provocatively in order to elicit heated responses has proven to be an effective way to penetrate the facade people put up on the Internet and get glimpses of their true feelings. When people get hot under the collar, they tend to revert to their training, which in this case means to resort to the mindless dogmas and tired arguments that are worn into their neuronal structure. I find it interesting to explore those pathways and even attempt to break them and create new ones.

There are two kinds of trolls... the creative, funny, socially disruptive kind who coined the term... and the other 99.99%.
That latter group, of which you seem to be a part, are some of the most predictable, and therefore boring people on or offline.

The only truly great crime online, is being boring.

And yet you're here, hook, line and sinker, being played on the end of my rod.

If that's how you see it, I suppose it says more about your mindset than anything real. I still think there's fun to be had with you, but damn you're really starting to make me question that assumption.