Obama slams Republicans for threat to blow up entire economy

[subversive science]

In other words, Libertarian society works precisely because it assumes that healthy, sane adults with well-formed personalities understand the social need for charity, altruism, self-sacrifice, cooperation and other beneficial human traits that make societies work. Marxism doesn't work precisely because it assumes that everyone is a slave to the state who must be forced to do what's best for the collective irrespective of what the individual wants, thinks or cares about.

The problem with Libertarianism is that assumes this utopic society in which everyone is equal. This ignores institutionalized inequalities that a realistic government must mitigate.

The invisible hand will take care of all that stuff, man.

I guess the privileged still need people to make their food and build their roads in this Libertarian utopia.

[Tero]

[cronus]

They got the target range for bringing down the country in the New Year. Must be worth something to know how your enemy will react pushed to the limit like that?

[Seth]

In other words, Libertarian society works precisely because it assumes that healthy, sane adults with well-formed personalities understand the social need for charity, altruism, self-sacrifice, cooperation and other beneficial human traits that make societies work. Marxism doesn't work precisely because it assumes that everyone is a slave to the state who must be forced to do what's best for the collective irrespective of what the individual wants, thinks or cares about.

The problem with Libertarianism is that assumes this utopic society in which everyone is equal. This ignores institutionalized inequalities that a realistic government must mitigate.

Wrong. Libertarianism does not hold that everyone is equal except in their right to not have force or fraud initiated against them. As to "institutionalized inequalities" you'd have to be specific about what you mean. Libertarianism is about liberty for the individual and the right to be free from coercive actions by others where the individual has not initiated force or fraud first. Libertarianism says nothing and cares nothing whatever for "inequality" institutionalized or otherwise because it does not assume that everyone is, can be, will ever be, should be or needs to be "equal" to everyone else. That's a socialist conceit that has no rational basis in human behavior. We cannot ever all be "equal" because we are all different. But we can all be free within the general proscription against initiating force or fraud on another.

"Equality" is a null concept when it comes to humans or indeed any living thing because nature itself drives every single organism towards INequality as a function of evolution. If all organisms are to be "equal" this means that there are no survival challenges presented that serve the important evolutionary purpose of natural selection, and some challenge that can destroy one member of a species can destroy all members of that species. It is the inequality of the individual that either gives the individual genetic survival or genetic destruction. That's what evolution is.

In terms of human society, no two individuals can be "equal" because each individual has different characteristics, desires, needs, physical abilities, mental abilities and a host of other things that make each individual independent and distinct from every other individual. "Equality" is death for the species in fact.

What socialism calls for is "equality," what Libertarianism calls for is "liberty." Of the two, liberty is more important than equality because liberty always leaves open the possibility that the individual can excel through personal effort and excellence and enjoy more and better fruits from his labor, with nearly unlimited scope, whereas socialism is destructive to individual success and excellence because it robs the individual of the fruits of his labor because those who are not as capable or motivated are jealous that those who are motivated and capable have more and better fruits than they do. Socialism seeks to hammer down the successful person who rises above the crowd in order to control the proletarian masses and keep them from rioting because they don't have what someone else does...mostly because they haven't earned it.

Liberty leaves a vast and unmeasurable universe of opportunity and potential success for each and every individual who chooses to reach out and take it.

Socialism crushes individual effort and excellence and denies opportunity for success in the name of "fairness," which is anything but fair.

It's precisely BECAUSE the USPS has a congressionally-mandated lock on the delivery of mail (as opposed to parcels or urgent documents) that it can run inefficiently and at a deficit that has to be bolstered by the taxpayers.

The post office runs a deficit because congress requires it to fund retirements unrealistically far into the future (50 years I believe).

Yup. And that's because the Post Office is not a private business that can fire union workers and hire workers without offering a pension when the costs of maintaining pensioners when they aren't producing profits for the company become too burdensome.

[Seth]

They got the target range for bringing down the country in the New Year. Must be worth something to know how your enemy will react pushed to the limit like that?

Yup. Just ONE more little push-back that takes the US into "default" territory will wreck Obama. You see, "default" is a phantasm, a specter conjured up by the democrat party and Obama to frighten the credulous proles but it has no actual existence and there is absolutely no threat whatsoever that the US will default on its government obligations.

This is quite simply because the US Treasury takes in TEN TIMES as much money every month than it needs to make payments on the interest and capital debts we owe.

One-tenth of the monthly income of the Treasury pays all the obligations that the "full faith and credit" provisions speak of.

The reason that it's a good thing to take us to the point where further deficit spending borrowing is unlawful is that it FORCES Obama to first and foremost, pay the debt obligations of the government, second to pay entitlements like Social Security, and ONLY THEN can what's left be spent on other government operations or spending.

If Obama is stopped from raising the national debt by a freeze on the debt ceiling in February, then HE will, as the Chief Executive, have to decide which programs and services must be defunded in order to pay the debt service and entitlements. This means that OBAMA will have to fire people, furlough them, cut programs, cut spending and otherwise manage the finances of the nation with what he has, not what he'd like to have. This calls for hard decisions from him that will put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and will have a serious effect on the economy. But they will be HIS DECISIONS, and the people will hold HIM responsible for how he goes about cutting government spending to comply with the credit limit that's been imposed on government.

That's what gives Obama nightmares, that HE will get the blame for tanking the economy, which he will, if only the Republicans will do what they should have done last week and stand firm against raising the debt ceiling while also continuing to send appropriations bills to the Senate and President to fund necessary programs and services.

Dumb fuckers blinked and Obama won this round, but the fight's not nearly over, this was merely the 3rd or 4th round. Plenty more to go come December. Let's hope this time the panty-waist RINOs in the House don't piss themselves again and roll over for Obama.

I think they agreed to the delay to push Obama's suicide pill close to the mid-term elections. They want people to see how badly Obamacare falls apart, how nobody can sign up, how the IRS will start sending out levies to people who CANNOT sign up because the system is fucked, and then they want to plaster Obama and the democrat party with the blow-back of having to actually live within the budget the House sends over.

[pErvinalia]

Either that, or they are just incompetent terrorists.

[subversive science]

If the past few weeks has taught us anything, it's that necessary expenditures encompasses national monuments while unnecessary spending includes the Centers for Disease Control.

[Ian]

[Kristie]

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I just liked that on Facebook about one minute ago!

[Collector1337]

Libertarians are selfish. So when there's no state to protect me from them, I'm going to have to do it myself.

Why are Libertarians selfish?

Because it's an ideology centred around gross self-interest.

Are you nuts?

It's an ideology centered around liberty.

Gross self interest, like what?

Why are you so scared of them?

It's an ideology of fear and distrust. When resources are tight, they won't be looking to work together for the benefit of all, they will work together in small groups to take from those who have resources. If I saw a libertarian coming near me after the collapse of society, I'd probably shoot first. Just to be sure.

Are you insane? You have a gross misconception of what Libertarianism is.

You fear what you don't understand. So it makes sense why you're so scared of Libertarians.

What is it you think they are doing to do to you?

Take my stuff.

You think that Libertarianism means there's no laws against left? Are you high?

[Ian]

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I just liked that on Facebook about one minute ago!

Where do you think I stole it from?

[Collector1337]

They'd be after as much stuff as they could get to make themselves comfortable at the expense of others.

An assumption on your part that's wildly incorrect.

[Kristie]

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I just liked that on Facebook about one minute ago!

Where do you think I stole it from?