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Post by kiki5711 » Sat May 19, 2012 10:29 pm

tattuchu wrote:I took "You don't need to do that" to mean, "We can't legally tell you to do that."

Anyway, there's a vid over at HuffPo of Trayvon at the 7-11 shortly before his death. Not sure it really tells us anything other than 1) Trayvon was quite a bit bigger than the initial photos the press released led us to believe and 2) he's acting a little strange here.
Seems like everyone has their "OWN" interpretation of what exactly the dispatcher meant. But given the circumstances, I doubt it was said lightly.

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Post by kiki5711 » Sat May 19, 2012 10:33 pm

If you follow someone you perceive to be a dangerous suspect, you call 911, they tell you not to follow him and you do anyway, you're taking the risk and whatever happens you brought it on yourself.

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Post by Tyrannical » Sat May 19, 2012 11:39 pm

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Tyrannical wrote:Oh, and trayvon had no cell phone on himself according to the full report. Funny how the police haven't arrested that lying girlfriend that claimed he was talking to her.
so the whole thing about martin being on the cell phone, reported from the start, was just fabrication and of course you know that she's a lying little piece of shit, now don't ya?
No cellphone was recovered at the scene, it is in the full police report.
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Post by kiki5711 » Sun May 20, 2012 12:55 am

well maybe they didn't look for it. I don't think zimm told them martin was on the phone. And apparently the police didn't tape around off the crime scene for evidence. But I'm sure the cell phone records can prove that he was on the phone at that time and what number he was speaking with. I remember seeing a photo of the cell phone on the grass. I guess your selective memory decided that didn't happen.

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No cellphone was recovered at the scene, it is in the full police report.
which police report was that?


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Post by Tyrannical » Sun May 20, 2012 12:39 pm

The autopsy report listed everything trayvon had on him, the spot for cellphone was not checked. Maybe he did have one, but the cell phone box was left unchecked.
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Post by Tero » Sun May 20, 2012 1:14 pm

Zimmerman was no different from any other citizen, they can't order him, only request.

But the moment he got out of the car Z was looking for trouble and he knew it.

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun May 20, 2012 1:45 pm

Tyrannical wrote:The autopsy report listed everything trayvon had on him, the spot for cellphone was not checked. Maybe he did have one, but the cell phone box was left unchecked.
well duhhh, it fell out of his hands, he didn't have it in his underwear. and it's the police that should had that as evidence found, as they did in the picture, not the coroner.

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun May 20, 2012 1:47 pm

Tero wrote:Zimmerman was no different from any other citizen, they can't order him, only request.

But the moment he got out of the car Z was looking for trouble and he knew it.
that's true, but he wasn't out there for a walk in the park. he was there for a purpose, and therefore should have followd some kind of procedure or rules, instead of acting upon his own "screwed" perception.

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Post by Tyrannical » Sun May 20, 2012 1:57 pm

Oh, and since I'm in Orlando today, I'm reading the local paper on the local crime. Orlando Sentinel btw.
Autopsy supports Zimmerman, local attorneys think hecshould never been charged with 2nd degree murder, and manslaughter would he difficult to prove.
Local paper is preparing people for an acquittal or dismissal.
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Tyrannical wrote:Oh, and since I'm in Orlando today, I'm reading the local paper on the local crime. Orlando Sentinel btw.
Autopsy supports Zimmerman, local attorneys think hecshould never been charged with 2nd degree murder, and manslaughter would he difficult to prove.
Local paper is preparing people for an acquittal or dismissal.
the papers are ready to print whatever is going to give them more sales, today is one thing, tomorrow another. They know most people's attention span lasts no longer than 3 minutes.

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun May 20, 2012 4:24 pm

Local paper is preparing people for an acquittal or dismissal.
I didn't know a local paper could predict the future. :bored: :bored:

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Post by maiforpeace » Sun May 20, 2012 4:39 pm

kiki5711 wrote:
Local paper is preparing people for an acquittal or dismissal.
I didn't know a local paper could predict the future. :bored: :bored:
So what. Besides, it's mostly old people in gated communities that read newspapers these days. :hehe:
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Post by kiki5711 » Sun May 20, 2012 5:24 pm

maiforpeace wrote:
kiki5711 wrote:
Local paper is preparing people for an acquittal or dismissal.
I didn't know a local paper could predict the future. :bored: :bored:
So what. Besides, it's mostly old people in gated communities that read newspapers these days. :hehe:
Yes, true, an we all know that they know "everything". :cheer:

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Post by kiki5711 » Sun May 20, 2012 5:29 pm

Tyrannical wrote:The autopsy report listed everything trayvon had on him, the spot for cellphone was not checked. Maybe he did have one, but the cell phone box was left unchecked.
First you say

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No cellphone was recovered at the scene, it is in the full police report
. which is not true, then you say the coroner didn't find any cell phone, which is pretty obvious that he wouldn't unless martin had it sown into his underwear.

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