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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by AshtonBlack » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:04 pm

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95Theses wrote:And to the OP, I suggest you start your education by discovering what is meant by a 'Scientific Theory'
What we're talking about here is philosophy of science, ie, if the atheist is rational to trust that science will say anything meaningful about the future. As far as I can see, there is no reason to think that, unless the atheist acts on blind, irrational faith.
Stop, I need some help, I went here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science

Not a single mention of atheist or atheism. Please connect the dots for me.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by thedistillers » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:04 pm

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thedistillers wrote: There is no reason to assume that if atheism is true.
This might be a hard concept to grasp for you, but atheism is just a lack of belief in the existence of gods. It makes no positive claims, scientific or otherwise.
If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force. So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science. Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:06 pm

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95Theses wrote: Scientists make observations about the way things behave in the real world, and then set out to show why they happen like that and how they will behave in the future.
What is the rational reason to assume that the future will behave like a past? If matter is not controlled by a Person, then at any moment it can start to behave a different way.
That would be a good proposition if it were not for the fact that things act in a predictable way with respect to time.

Basically, for most conceptually intuitive stuff, the underlying fundamental physical behaviour of that stuff remains constant with respect to time. (i.e. F=Gm1m2/r^2, the gravitational force that objects exert on each other doesn't change (in the ordinary sense; newtonian, things much less than the speed of light, ideal analysis, etc) over a time interval when you compare how the force acts on and between things in different settings.. thats why there is the constant, G)

And obviously this was a waste of time, because you're either a troll or a moron for posing such questions in the first place.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by AshtonBlack » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:06 pm

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virphen wrote:
thedistillers wrote: There is no reason to assume that if atheism is true.
This might be a hard concept to grasp for you, but atheism is just a lack of belief in the existence of gods. It makes no positive claims, scientific or otherwise.
If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force. So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science. Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.
But the universe does not continue to behave the same. It's expanding at an ever increasing rate. Or so the observations tell us.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Mephistopheles » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:06 pm

Ah yes, because putting a small amount of faith in physical evidence and reasoned logic is just as bad as putting a shitton of faith in the myths of archaic nomads.

The difference is, rational thought maintains a few, very basic assumptions about reality, which are continuously and rigorously examined every time new data is introduced. If they don't match the data, the assumptions are modified, removed, or replaced.

With whatever the hell you believe, not only do you hold the same assumptions we do (though, from what I can tell, have no idea what they are, let alone how to properly utilize them), in addition to several thousand years of dogmatic baggage, assumptions that you are simply unwilling to put under the same scrutiny of scientific claims.

So sure, we place a small amount of faith that reality exists and that from what we can observe it is consistent. But to even try to pretend that that is in any way equivalent to the way you blindly presume that a god exists, that specifically the Christian God exists, that the Christian God is omni-anything, that the Christian God gives a damn about you, that people have souls, that there is some form of afterlife, that the afterlife is a realm of eternal bliss or torture, that the rules you must follow to avoid Hell are in any way based on an objective standard of "good" and "evil," etc. etc. etc. all based on a TWO THOUSAND YEAR GAME OF TELEPHONE is hypocritical.

I'd say read a fucking book dude. Maybe if you had an inkling of, I don't know, theoretical physics, philosophy, evolutionary psychology, natural selection, pretty much anything other than your stupid anthology of fairy tales, you wouldn't make stupid threads like this.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by virphen » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:07 pm

thedistillers wrote: If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force. So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science. Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.
Nonsense. Any empirical view of the universe would conclude that given it has operated off the same laws for billions of years, it's likely to do so for the foreseeable future.

If anything the reverse is true, particularly if the theist is of the Abrahamic branch and believes in an omnipotent git who acts on such vicious whim - it would be hardly out of character for that Yahweh prick to change the laws of physics any time he felt like a bit of genocide.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

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virphen wrote:
thedistillers wrote: There is no reason to assume that if atheism is true.
This might be a hard concept to grasp for you, but atheism is just a lack of belief in the existence of gods. It makes no positive claims, scientific or otherwise.
If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force. So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science. Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.
Your B does follow from your A. That has a fancy name, which I've never bothered to remember.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Thinking Aloud » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:08 pm

thedistillers wrote:
virphen wrote:
thedistillers wrote: There is no reason to assume that if atheism is true.
This might be a hard concept to grasp for you, but atheism is just a lack of belief in the existence of gods. It makes no positive claims, scientific or otherwise.
If there is no God, then the universe is not controlled by a powerful, external force. So there are a lot of consequences if atheism is true. One of them is that we have no reason to trust science. Only the theist can assume that the universe will continue to behave the same way it has so far.
I think, actually, you've got that backwards.

If the universe were controlled by some huge external force, then it could change things at a whim. Strangely, the universe always has, and still does, behave as if nothing at all were influencing it in that way. Funny that.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by virphen » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:08 pm

Gawdzilla wrote: Your B does follow from your A. That has a fancy name, which I've never bothered to remember.
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virphen wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote: Your B does follow from your A. That has a fancy name, which I've never bothered to remember.
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by virphen » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:12 pm

Gawdzilla wrote: Sorry. Won't do it again.
Because there is snow in your avatar, I don't believe you.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Thinking Aloud » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:14 pm

virphen wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote: Sorry. Won't do it again.
Because there is snow in your avatar, I don't believe you.
I had snow in my ear in my avatar. Once.

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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:14 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote: Your B does follow from your A. That has a fancy name, which I've never bothered to remember.
non sequitur
We have a thread for that already. :tea:

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5383
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by normal » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:15 pm

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virphen wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote: Sorry. Won't do it again.
Because there is snow in your avatar, I don't believe you.
I had snow in my ear in my avatar. Once.
You had snow in your ear in your avatar on the forum on the internet?
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Re: Why do atheists trust science?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:15 pm

virphen wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote: Sorry. Won't do it again.
Because there is snow in your avatar, I don't believe you.
You have to have more faith than that. :mod:
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