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Post by Collector1337 » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:16 pm

Śiva wrote:
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Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote: The reasoning is simple. For my safety.
For your safety. So.. coming back to what I was asking way long ago before you felt the need to invent an erudite phantasm to return fire from.. what about the people around you or the places you frequent makes you feel it would be unsafe for you to not be armed?
Do you really consider the ghettos of public and section 8 housing to be a safe place? Or say North Minneapolis?
So it's the siege mentality I was talking about.
It's not a "mentality." It's a reality.
Śiva wrote: Have you ever been in a situation where you felt your life was being threatened and you had to use your weapon, even as a threat, to defend yourself?
Yes. Depends which time you talking about whether I was armed or not armed.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:20 pm

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Śiva wrote::lol: I suppose it's a manifestation of your paranoid delusions that the world is out to get yer guns. So you've constructed an elaborate persona from which you may argue which you feel renders your opinions unassailable. It's a totem. You probably find you're regularly challenged when you march out the credentials of your persona - some people will seriously demand your transcript (I personally don't give a fuck, but if you want you can email it to me. I might buy your shit then. I can call your university and have them verify it pretty easily.), of course you'll maintain that you want to protect your real identity, but that won't satisfy a lot of people, so you'd have to come up with something that looks the part enough to fool people who don't know that diplomas are not printed on regular copy paper and have embossed seals on them.. so you made up what you have there.

Simple really. I've seen it before - this ain't my first rodeo. But I don't care. I really just wanted to explore the idea of the person you claim to be.
Spoken like a true arm chair psychologist.

Provided proof very quickly and doesn't believe it, concocts an elaborate story as to why it's not to believed without me divulging inappropriate level of personal information, makes accusations of paranoia...

You are fucking hilarious.
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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:20 pm

Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote: The reasoning is simple. For my safety.
For your safety. So.. coming back to what I was asking way long ago before you felt the need to invent an erudite phantasm to return fire from.. what about the people around you or the places you frequent makes you feel it would be unsafe for you to not be armed?
The reality of life, in which there are bad people who have the intent to harm others. Since these bad people do not wear illuminated signs saying "BAD PERSON, BEWARE", and since they exist, to a greater or lesser extent everywhere on earth, it is reasonable and prudent to be prepared to defend against such bad people at all times and in all places.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:22 pm

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Śiva wrote: Have you ever been in a situation where you felt your life was being threatened and you had to use your weapon, even as a threat, to defend yourself?
Yes. Depends which time you talking about whether I was armed or not armed.
Either. Both. I suppose I'm more interested in the one involving your gun though. How did it protect you? Did you shoot the dirty scumbag down? :ask:

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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:26 pm

Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote: The reasoning is simple. For my safety.
For your safety. So.. coming back to what I was asking way long ago before you felt the need to invent an erudite phantasm to return fire from.. what about the people around you or the places you frequent makes you feel it would be unsafe for you to not be armed?
The reality of life, in which there are bad people who have the intent to harm others. Since these bad people do not wear illuminated signs saying "BAD PERSON, BEWARE", and since they exist, to a greater or lesser extent everywhere on earth, it is reasonable and prudent to be prepared to defend against such bad people at all times and in all places.
It's funny.. I used to live in the most populous and multicultural area of Canada - Toronto. I worked all over the city, even the poorer areas of town, I'm sure there were bad people around, but I survived without being armed. If I can do that in one of the great cities of the world, surely you're fine in some backwater like Minnesota..

I mean, how different is your American in Minnesota from your Canadian in Toronto? Do our brains work differently somehow so that when we are high, strung-out, desperately poor, hungry, angry, paranoid, .. and whatever else.. we don't create a culture that engenders fear to a level we feel the need to arm to exist in it?

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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:28 pm

Śiva wrote::lol: I suppose it's a manifestation of your paranoid delusions that the world is out to get yer guns.
Well, as it happens "the world" is in fact out to get our guns. The UN is trying hard, with Obama's assistance, to get an arms treaty in place that will set the stage for the US to be compelled to do exactly that.
So you've constructed an elaborate persona from which you may argue which you feel renders your opinions unassailable. It's a totem.
No, and his opinions aren't unassailable, but the facts he states are, and you have failed utterly to produce any facts that counter the ones he cites.
You probably find you're regularly challenged when you march out the credentials of your persona - some people will seriously demand your transcript (I personally don't give a fuck, but if you want you can email it to me. I might buy your shit then.


Why do you think that he gives a shit whether you buy it or not? I know I don't.
I can call your university and have them verify it pretty easily.), of course you'll maintain that you want to protect your real identity, but that won't satisfy a lot of people, so you'd have to come up with something that looks the part enough to fool people who don't know that diplomas are not printed on regular copy paper and have embossed seals on them..


But a copy of the diploma on which he redacts confidential personal information that he knows full well you would deliberately and maliciously reveal to others to make him a target of harassment is still a copy of a diploma certifying his credentials.
so you made up what you have there.
I doubt it, but even if he did your comments here are clearly nothing more than diversionary derails and personal attacks, for which you should get suspended.
Simple really. I've seen it before - this ain't my first rodeo. But I don't care. I really just wanted to explore the idea of the person you claim to be.
Right, because you want to evade and avoid the actual subject of the thread, which is not his personality but the issue of guns and Islamic terrorism.

You're just trolling and trying to avoid the fact that you have no fucking idea whatsoever what you're talking about when it comes to guns or self defense or anything else firearms related so you have to, as usual, resort to ad hominem argumentation.

So fuck off.
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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:31 pm

Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote: The reasoning is simple. For my safety.
For your safety. So.. coming back to what I was asking way long ago before you felt the need to invent an erudite phantasm to return fire from.. what about the people around you or the places you frequent makes you feel it would be unsafe for you to not be armed?
Do you really consider the ghettos of public and section 8 housing to be a safe place? Or say North Minneapolis?
So it's the siege mentality I was talking about.


I challenge you to walk unarmed through east L.A., east St. Louis, west Topeka or the upper Bronx at night, wearing an illuminated sign saying "I do not carry a gun." If you don't you are a fucking coward and a liar.

Have you ever been in a situation where you felt your life was being threatened and you had to use your weapon, even as a threat, to defend yourself?
I have, several times, starting when I was 19. Nobody got shot, nobody got robbed and nobody got hurt BECAUSE I had a gun.
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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:32 pm

Collector1337 wrote:
Śiva wrote::lol: I suppose it's a manifestation of your paranoid delusions that the world is out to get yer guns. So you've constructed an elaborate persona from which you may argue which you feel renders your opinions unassailable. It's a totem. You probably find you're regularly challenged when you march out the credentials of your persona - some people will seriously demand your transcript (I personally don't give a fuck, but if you want you can email it to me. I might buy your shit then. I can call your university and have them verify it pretty easily.), of course you'll maintain that you want to protect your real identity, but that won't satisfy a lot of people, so you'd have to come up with something that looks the part enough to fool people who don't know that diplomas are not printed on regular copy paper and have embossed seals on them.. so you made up what you have there.

Simple really. I've seen it before - this ain't my first rodeo. But I don't care. I really just wanted to explore the idea of the person you claim to be.
Spoken like a true arm chair psychologist.

Provided proof very quickly and doesn't believe it, concocts an elaborate story as to why it's not to believed without me divulging inappropriate level of personal information, makes accusations of paranoia...

You are fucking hilarious.
Er, I wouldn't say he's an "arm chair psychologist," I'd say he's deeply in need of an actual psychologist and perhaps strong medication.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:32 pm

Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Śiva wrote:
Collector1337 wrote: The reasoning is simple. For my safety.
For your safety. So.. coming back to what I was asking way long ago before you felt the need to invent an erudite phantasm to return fire from.. what about the people around you or the places you frequent makes you feel it would be unsafe for you to not be armed?
Do you really consider the ghettos of public and section 8 housing to be a safe place? Or say North Minneapolis?
So it's the siege mentality I was talking about.


I challenge you to walk unarmed through east L.A., east St. Louis, west Topeka or the upper Bronx at night, wearing an illuminated sign saying "I do not carry a gun." If you don't you are a fucking coward and a liar.
What would that prove?

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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:33 pm

Seth wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:
Śiva wrote::lol: I suppose it's a manifestation of your paranoid delusions that the world is out to get yer guns. So you've constructed an elaborate persona from which you may argue which you feel renders your opinions unassailable. It's a totem. You probably find you're regularly challenged when you march out the credentials of your persona - some people will seriously demand your transcript (I personally don't give a fuck, but if you want you can email it to me. I might buy your shit then. I can call your university and have them verify it pretty easily.), of course you'll maintain that you want to protect your real identity, but that won't satisfy a lot of people, so you'd have to come up with something that looks the part enough to fool people who don't know that diplomas are not printed on regular copy paper and have embossed seals on them.. so you made up what you have there.

Simple really. I've seen it before - this ain't my first rodeo. But I don't care. I really just wanted to explore the idea of the person you claim to be.
Spoken like a true arm chair psychologist.

Provided proof very quickly and doesn't believe it, concocts an elaborate story as to why it's not to believed without me divulging inappropriate level of personal information, makes accusations of paranoia...

You are fucking hilarious.
Er, I wouldn't say he's an "arm chair psychologist," I'd say he's deeply in need of an actual psychologist and perhaps strong medication.
:lol: For sure.

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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:34 pm

Śiva wrote: It's funny.. I used to live in the most populous and multicultural area of Canada - Toronto. I worked all over the city, even the poorer areas of town, I'm sure there were bad people around, but I survived without being armed.
Lucky you.

This guy wasn't so lucky:
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:35 pm

Seth wrote:I have, several times, starting when I was 19. Nobody got shot, nobody got robbed and nobody got hurt BECAUSE I had a gun.
So these issues started around age 19.. perhaps the result of a sexual inferiority complex. Tell me. Did your mother breast feed you as a child?

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Post by Seth » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:35 pm

Śiva wrote:
What would that prove?
That you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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Post by Jason » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:36 pm

Seth wrote:
Śiva wrote:
What would that prove?
That you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Bitch please.

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Post by JimC » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:40 pm

Seth wrote:

...it is the act of obtaining a firearm with the intent to use it criminally that is illegal...
And how precisely could that intent, at the time of purchase, be proved?

I'm sure that Collector and you obtained your various arsenals legally. Sometime in the future, if one of you suddenly flipped and went of a criminal rampage with those guns, does it make their originally legal purchase suddenly illegal?

Such an unnecessary bit of legal posturing, anyway; the moment that guns are used in a crime, there are (or should be) very heavy penalties applied, making moot the need for any mind-reading and time travelling to decide intent at time of purchase...
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