This is why we need the death penalty...

[Brian Peacock]

Er, by "you" I meant all of you who are socialists, who are by definition fuckwits because it has been soundly proven by history, then and now, that socialism is a fuckwitted sociopolitical derangement that never, ever works.

This MO is as tiresome as it is transparent. Declare a nominal group degenerate, define some person or idea as exemplifying the group, then shuffle along ad homming and strawmanning as you go all the time justifying those and similar fallacious errancies on the basis that X is a group-member and all group-members are degenerate. This is the anatomy of your back-foot apologetics.

Your 'fuckwittery' is maintaining that political and social liberals are Socialist. It's a silly as saying that all political and social conservatives are Fascist, or that all secular atheists are intent on the extirpation and annihilation of religion. It's effect is to deflect and avoid - and to that effect you employ it rather well.

[Hermit]

BG, your mob got beat fair and square by the USA...

Yes. And it is governed by Obama. Seth calls him a crypto-communist.

[Seth]

Er, by "you" I meant all of you who are socialists, who are by definition fuckwits because it has been soundly proven by history, then and now, that socialism is a fuckwitted sociopolitical derangement that never, ever works.

So, if the shoe fits, wear it. If you don't want to be called a fuckwitted socialist, don't be a socialist.

Er, you nazis don't have a great reputation from history either.
You don't seem to attract the greatest of minds. It's more an appeal to the lowest intellect.
Which works, sometimes, but it's never been about appealing to those who actually have any intelligence.

Hey! Where's MM's Blue Note! I doth protest!

[Seth]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... ment_Index

Just to rebut Seths statement about socialism being proved a failure by history. The reference above is to the Human Development Index, which really is a measure of how successful a country is in looking after its people. Here are the top ten.

1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Switzerland
4. Netherlands
5. USA
6. Germany
7. New Zealand
8. Canada
9. Singapore
10. Denmark.

From that list, Norway is the most socialist and the most successful. Out of those ten, most would be called socialist by Seth's definitions.

Failure, my pallid white arse!

It ain't over till the fat lady sings. In time all of them will fail just like Venezuela, Cuba and the USSR failed. It's as inevitable as entropy because it is entropy. When the supply of OPM is exhausted, as it inevitably must be when the dependent class demands more than the productive class produces, socialism ends in misery, penury and death. Every. Single. Time.

[Seth]

Er, by "you" I meant all of you who are socialists, who are by definition fuckwits because it has been soundly proven by history, then and now, that socialism is a fuckwitted sociopolitical derangement that never, ever works.

This MO is as tiresome as it is transparent. Declare a nominal group degenerate, define some person or idea as exemplifying the group, then shuffle along ad homming and strawmanning as you go all the time justifying those and similar fallacious errancies on the basis that X is a group-member and all group-members are degenerate. This is the anatomy of your back-foot apologetics.

Hm. Sounds remarkably like the patterns of argument that come from liberals and socialists with respect to anyone who isn't far enough to the political left to suit them. Go figure.

Your 'fuckwittery' is maintaining that political and social liberals are Socialist. It's a silly as saying that all political and social conservatives are Fascist, or that all secular atheists are intent on the extirpation and annihilation of religion. It's effect is to deflect and avoid - and to that effect you employ it rather well.

Sauce, goose, gander.

[mistermack]

socialism ends in misery, penury and death. Every. Single. Time.

Which, I suppose, is why China can afford to prop up the United States of America with GIGANTIC loans.
Maybe that's WHY socialism will end in misery, penury and death. America will steal the money and not pay back what it owes to China.

But, how come it's not the other way around? How come socialist China isn't going to rich capitalist America with it's begging bowl?

Oh yeh, it doesn't need to. It's got money coming out of it's ears. And America is skint and couldn't lend China any money, even if it wanted to.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Er, by "you" I meant all of you who are socialists, who are by definition fuckwits because it has been soundly proven by history, then and now, that socialism is a fuckwitted sociopolitical derangement that never, ever works.

This MO is as tiresome as it is transparent. Declare a nominal group degenerate, define some person or idea as exemplifying the group, then shuffle along ad homming and strawmanning as you go all the time justifying those and similar fallacious errancies on the basis that X is a group-member and all group-members are degenerate. This is the anatomy of your back-foot apologetics.

Hm. Sounds remarkably like the patterns of argument that come from liberals and socialists with respect to anyone who isn't far enough to the political left to suit them. Go figure.

Your 'fuckwittery' is maintaining that political and social liberals are Socialist. It's a silly as saying that all political and social conservatives are Fascist, or that all secular atheists are intent on the extirpation and annihilation of religion. It's effect is to deflect and avoid - and to that effect you employ it rather well.

Sauce, goose, gander.

Just because it smells like shit when other people do it, don't make it smell like fucking roses when you do.

[Seth]

socialism ends in misery, penury and death. Every. Single. Time.

Which, I suppose, is why China can afford to prop up the United States of America with GIGANTIC loans.

Chickens roosting my friend.

Maybe that's WHY socialism will end in misery, penury and death. America will steal the money and not pay back what it owes to China.

I fucking hope so, it's a Communist regime and is, and has been since the beginning, our enemy, the enemy of all free people, and a danger to the rest of the planet. Nothing would make me happier than to see China go the way of the Soviet Union...into bankruptcy.

But, how come it's not the other way around? How come socialist China isn't going to rich capitalist America with it's begging bowl?

It is. It owns the largest amount of US debt of any nation, and if we default, they are completely fucked.

Oh yeh, it doesn't need to. It's got money coming out of it's ears. And America is skint and couldn't lend China any money, even if it wanted to.

Yeah, like I said, it's got OTHER PEOPLE'S money. It has jack and shit of it's own if we decide to pull the plug.

[Seth]

Er, by "you" I meant all of you who are socialists, who are by definition fuckwits because it has been soundly proven by history, then and now, that socialism is a fuckwitted sociopolitical derangement that never, ever works.

This MO is as tiresome as it is transparent. Declare a nominal group degenerate, define some person or idea as exemplifying the group, then shuffle along ad homming and strawmanning as you go all the time justifying those and similar fallacious errancies on the basis that X is a group-member and all group-members are degenerate. This is the anatomy of your back-foot apologetics.

Hm. Sounds remarkably like the patterns of argument that come from liberals and socialists with respect to anyone who isn't far enough to the political left to suit them. Go figure.

Your 'fuckwittery' is maintaining that political and social liberals are Socialist. It's a silly as saying that all political and social conservatives are Fascist, or that all secular atheists are intent on the extirpation and annihilation of religion. It's effect is to deflect and avoid - and to that effect you employ it rather well.

Sauce, goose, gander.

Just because it smells like shit when other people do it, don't make it smell like fucking roses when you do.

True, you're shit stinks just like everybody else's, and so does the shit of every socialist on the planet, only worse than non-socialists. The problem is that Marxism deludes socialists into thinking their shit doesn't stink. But it does. To high heaven.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Er, by "you" I meant all of you who are socialists, who are by definition fuckwits because it has been soundly proven by history, then and now, that socialism is a fuckwitted sociopolitical derangement that never, ever works.

This MO is as tiresome as it is transparent. Declare a nominal group degenerate, define some person or idea as exemplifying the group, then shuffle along ad homming and strawmanning as you go all the time justifying those and similar fallacious errancies on the basis that X is a group-member and all group-members are degenerate. This is the anatomy of your back-foot apologetics.

Hm. Sounds remarkably like the patterns of argument that come from liberals and socialists with respect to anyone who isn't far enough to the political left to suit them. Go figure.

Your 'fuckwittery' is maintaining that political and social liberals are Socialist. It's a silly as saying that all political and social conservatives are Fascist, or that all secular atheists are intent on the extirpation and annihilation of religion. It's effect is to deflect and avoid - and to that effect you employ it rather well.

Sauce, goose, gander.

Just because it smells like shit when other people do it, don't make it smell like fucking roses when you do.

True, you're shit stinks just like everybody else's, and so does the shit of every socialist on the planet, only worse than non-socialists. The problem is that Marxism deludes socialists into thinking their shit doesn't stink. But it does. To high heaven.

Here is a translation of Seth's reply above for those unfamiliar with the finer points of schoolyard logic:

Yes, I know I am, but you are too! And you're worserer! And you smell! And your mother smells the worsest cos she's on welfare!!1!

Not a mite of cogent reasoning to be found, merely dogmatic assertion of received, ideological FACT.

In short, as with pretty much anything you say, Seth, once the subject veers towards politics, the only civilised response is to smile politely, make ones excuses and leave.

[Seth]

In short, as with pretty much anything you say, Seth, once the subject veers towards politics, the only civilised response is to smile politely, make ones excuses and leave.

You're the one who brought up feces.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

In short, as with pretty much anything you say, Seth, once the subject veers towards politics, the only civilised response is to smile politely, make ones excuses and leave.

You're the one who brought up feces.

Be fair, once you've swallowed it, it's going to come up again! And you are definitely the one that force-fed it to me!

[Brian Peacock]

[mistermack]

Oh yeh, it doesn't need to. It's got money coming out of it's ears. And America is skint and couldn't lend China any money, even if it wanted to.

Yeah, like I said, it's got OTHER PEOPLE'S money. It has jack and shit of it's own if we decide to pull the plug.

You're funny.

[Blind groper]

The American economy has a nifty little trick it plays, which permits the USA to boost its own economy at everyone else's expense. A bit like a leech sucking someone else's blood.

Since WWII, the American dollar has been used for international trade, such as buying oil. This gives an unreal value to the American dollar. The US administration exploits this by printing an extra one trillion dollars per year. This is a trillion dollars in their coffers for no productive outlay.

Since the USA has an annual GDP of about 17 trillion, and a growth rate of about 2% per annum, this trillion dollars printed is roughly three times what the internal economic growth can handle. However, it is unloaded on other nations as dollars for buying oil etc.

So basically, a big part of the high American standard of living comes from parasitising other nations. Ho hum!