Another Virginia Tech Shooting

[JimC]

If even the thought of self defence enters your mind in peace time then there is either something seriously wrong with your society or something wrong with you.

Pardon me, but that's just fucking absurd.

I think he meant "self defence via guns"...

[Clinton Huxley]

Maybe we could link to one of the other 500 pages of gun nut threads and spare ourselves another 500.

[Chaz]

Guns don't cause gun crime. - Gun laws cause gun crime.

[JimC]

Maybe we could link to one of the other 500 pages of gun nut threads and spare ourselves another 500.

Like a dog returns to its vomit, Rationalia returns to the great gun debate...

[MrJonno]

If even the thought of self defence enters your mind in peace time then there is either something seriously wrong with your society or something wrong with you.

Pardon me, but that's just fucking absurd.

I think he meant "self defence via guns"...

No I meant self defence against fists, knives , nuclear weapons and anthrax.

The chances of me ever being assaulted are obviously not zero (I have been) but I never in my day to day do I go around thinking what will I do if someone attacks me. Thats called paranoia (or living in a war zone)

I think its slightly different for women who while they could go around with an AK47 and and a bulletproof vest are probably better of avoiding unlit areas at night alone

[Gawdzilla Sama]

MJ, Norway is a very peaceful society, and yet they recently had a guy go on a rampage. People there are justified in wondering "What should I do if that happens here?" without condemning the whole society as "wrong". Your sweeping generalization is rather trite.

[MrJonno]

MJ, Norway is a very peaceful society, and yet they recently had a guy go on a rampage. People there are justified in wondering "What should I do if that happens here?" without condemning the whole society as "wrong". Your sweeping generalization is rather trite.

Doesnt change the fact unless you are part of the anti terrorist squad such a situation is so rare its simply not worth worrying about. Your average policeman in the UK has probably never seen a gun unless it was on training or in the hands of another policeman

[Gallstones]

Gawd's Law. Everything bad is American. Anything bad is American.

I bet he's had at least one Coke or Pepsi in his life and he liked it.

[Robert_S]

Gawd's Law. Everything bad is American. Anything bad is American.

I bet he's had at least one Coke or Pepsi in his life and he liked it.

I'll send him a case of Diet Rite!

[Gallstones]

Gawd's Law. Everything bad is American. Anything bad is American.

I bet he's had at least one Coke or Pepsi in his life and he liked it.

I'll send him a case of Diet Rite!

Maybe he is more the Fresca type?

[Seth]

MJ, Norway is a very peaceful society, and yet they recently had a guy go on a rampage. People there are justified in wondering "What should I do if that happens here?" without condemning the whole society as "wrong". Your sweeping generalization is rather trite.

Doesnt change the fact unless you are part of the anti terrorist squad such a situation is so rare its simply not worth worrying about. Your average policeman in the UK has probably never seen a gun unless it was on training or in the hands of another policeman

I'll bet every dead person on that island was praying that somebody, ANYBODY other than the shooter had a gun. But nobody did, because people like you have disarmed the good people of your societies, thus leaving them vulnerable to any deranged person who manages to obtain a gun, knife, cricket bat, beer bottle or any other deadly weapon.

Those who would use the law to disarm ANY other law-abiding citizen, thus depriving them of their natural, inherent, unalienable right to effective self defense against such a situation are immoral scumbags who care more about their own comfort than about the rights of others to do what they feel is prudent by way of protecting themselves and their families.

[Seth]

If even the thought of self defence enters your mind in peace time then there is either something seriously wrong with your society or something wrong with you.

Pardon me, but that's just fucking absurd.

I think he meant "self defence via guns"...

No I meant self defence against fists, knives , nuclear weapons and anthrax.

The chances of me ever being assaulted are obviously not zero (I have been) but I never in my day to day do I go around thinking what will I do if someone attacks me. Thats called paranoia (or living in a war zone)

And YOU have an absolute and unassailable right to make the decision for YOURSELF that YOU choose not to be armed for self-defense. I would never think to object or impose on that absolute right that each person has.

However, you do NOT have ANY right, nor does any other person, singly or as a group or even a society, to disarm ANY law abiding person who makes the decision that they desire to be armed for self-defense, including by making laws to that effect. It's immoral, unethical and the grossest sort of violation of fundamental human rights and dignity, and what's more has been proven to be the cause of hundreds of millions of deaths at the hands of criminals and despots when it's done.

I think its slightly different for women who while they could go around with an AK47 and and a bulletproof vest are probably better of avoiding unlit areas at night alone

Pure cowardice, and what's worse, imposed cowardice. You arrogantly presume that you get to dictate to other people when and where they may travel because YOU have a paranoid fear of guns.

Well, you don't have such a right. You've never had such a right, nor has any person, ever, in history. The right to be armed for self defense is a basic human right that derives from our mere existence as living creatures and sentient human beings. We all have the right to defend our lives against an attack upon it, and we have the right to have and use ANY weapon that's suitable for that self defense, and no law or rule or paranoid fear of our neighbor can take away that right.

[MrJonno]

Usual bollocks about natural rights, I personal don't have the right to shape the society I live in but the people as a whole do

[Seth]

Usual bollocks about natural rights, I personal don't have the right to shape the society I live in but the people as a whole do

Your inability to understand the concept of natural rights does not mean they don't exist.

[MrJonno]

Usual bollocks about natural rights, I personal don't have the right to shape the society I live in but the people as a whole do

Your inability to understand the concept of natural rights does not mean they don't exist.

Nah just your inability to provide any evidence for them