U.S. passes "historic" healthcare bill

[Coito ergo sum]

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100338999 - I have it on good authority, from an IRS enforcement agent, that they are gearing up for the taxation of employer contributions to health insurance premiums. Look at your W-2 this year -- there is a new box - an 'informational" box where the employer fills in the amount that they say they pay for your health insurance. The next step will be to tax it as income.

[Coito ergo sum]

Obamacare increasing health insurance premiums 88% in Ohio -- http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... 8-percent/

[Kristie]

But it's saving small businesses millions in CA.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/05 ... nia-video/

[Coito ergo sum]

But it's saving small businesses millions in CA.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/05 ... nia-video/

$36 million? In California? Even assuming that is true, come on. In economies of scale, $36 million in a state the size of California, which alone is like the 5th largest economy in the world, is nothing. And, that figure is not even accurate anyway -- it's not drawn from statewide statistics, just a limited number of employers comparing 2013 prices with PROJECTED 2014 premiums. So, it's still a we'll see scenario.

And, -

California wasn't comparing apples to apples. It wasn't even comparing apples to oranges. It was comparing apples to ostriches.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 58456.html

I've been saying this since 2009 -- it won't, doesn't and was never HONESTLY even intended to reduce premiums. Period.

We wouldn't be shocked if California deliberately abused statistics in the hopes that no one would notice that in some cases premiums would more than double. In any case, the turn among the liberals who touted the fake results has been educational.

They now concede that individual costs will rise but claim that it is unfair to compare today's market to ObamaCare because ObamaCare mandates much richer benefits. Another liberal rationalization is that the cost-increasing regulations are meant to help people with pre-existing conditions, so they're worth it.

So they're finally admitting what some of us predicted from the start,

[MrJonno]

Obamacare increasing health insurance premiums 88% in Ohio -- http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... 8-percent/

Well he should be reducing them by 100% instead ie businesses should not be paying for any healthcare taxes should be bad Obama

[Coito ergo sum]

Obamacare increasing health insurance premiums 88% in Ohio -- http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... 8-percent/

Well he should be reducing them by 100% instead ie businesses should not be paying for any healthcare taxes should be bad Obama

It's impossible to reduce them by 100% -- then either nobody would have any insurance, or all health care would be free. The latter is impossible. It costs money to build hospitals, buy equipment, employ doctors and support personnel and such. You can have the costs paid for by taxes, but that doesn't mean the price goes away. It means it's being paid from a different source.

[Clinton Huxley]

California, 12th largest economy, if counted as a nation. According to WIKI.

[MrJonno]

Obamacare increasing health insurance premiums 88% in Ohio -- http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... 8-percent/

Well he should be reducing them by 100% instead ie businesses should not be paying for any healthcare taxes should be bad Obama

It's impossible to reduce them by 100% -- then either nobody would have any insurance, or all health care would be free. The latter is impossible. It costs money to build hospitals, buy equipment, employ doctors and support personnel and such. You can have the costs paid for by taxes, but that doesn't mean the price goes away. It means it's being paid from a different source.

Missed the bit about paying out of taxes bit, linking healthcare and employment is morally bankrupt on principle

[Coito ergo sum]

Linking health "care" and employment is morally bankrupt on principle, but employers offering health insurance as a benefit of employment is not.

Exempting Congress and Congressional staffers from the "Burden" of this new "affordable healthcare" system is, however, about as morally bankrupt as you can get -- http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/ ... YL20130807?

Yay, Obamacare! Rah Rah Rah! Wait, what? It's going to apply to me? huh? Oh, no. Not me. Them. Not me.

[laklak]

Bring it on! I want to see taxed employer benefits. I want individual premiums to increase by over 100%. I want to see doctors leaving their practices. I want medical school enrollments to evaporate. I want IRS/NSA/TSA/FBI goon squads breaking down doors. I want Average Joe to have to choose between cable TV and medical insurance. I want egregious cronyism in the application of the law. That's the only way most idiot Americans will realize what a colossal boondoggle this piece of dreck actually is. If they don't, and they vote these same sad sacks of shit back into office again then they deserve what they get. We'll just move back to the third world where we can afford decent healthcare.

[Coito ergo sum]

Bring it on! I want to see taxed employer benefits.

It is coming. There is a box on our W-2s starting with 2012's W-2 which had the employer disclose the amount it pays for the individual employee's health insurance. it's now "informational," but i have it on good authority, direct from an irs agent, that they have already received training on how that will all work when it is taxes. it's the half-way step toward it. Yes, all Obamacare supporters, you'll be paying your fair share by being taxed on money your employer spends on group health insurance for its employees. Hoo-ray!!!! Another area where people making well under $250,000 are going to see a lot more than "a dime" of tax increase...lol

But, hey, we're cutting the number of uninsured down to about 30 million, so it's worth the trillion or so dollars being spent on it.

I want individual premiums to increase by over 100%. I want to see doctors leaving their practices. I want medical school enrollments to evaporate. I want IRS/NSA/TSA/FBI goon squads breaking down doors. I want Average Joe to have to choose between cable TV and medical insurance. I want egregious cronyism in the application of the law. That's the only way most idiot Americans will realize what a colossal boondoggle this piece of dreck actually is. If they don't, and they vote these same sad sacks of shit back into office again then they deserve what they get. We'll just move back to the third world where we can afford decent healthcare.

That will be how socialized medicine in the US is born.

[Tero]

Yet in all them socialist countries...maybe not Canada... you can have cataract surgery tomorrow if you pay out of pocket. Instead of waiting 1-2 years.

[Coito ergo sum]

Yet in all them socialist countries...maybe not Canada... you can have cataract surgery tomorrow if you pay out of pocket. Instead of waiting 1-2 years.

So, the rich get better, faster care than the poor? Great.

[laklak]

Yet in all them socialist countries...maybe not Canada... you can have cataract surgery tomorrow if you pay out of pocket. Instead of waiting 1-2 years.

So, the rich get better, faster care than the poor? Great.

It has always been thus, my son. As my grandmother used to say, "them that gots, gets".

[Coito ergo sum]

Sure, but socialism is supposed to "fix" all that...