The Coronavirus Thread

[rainbow]

https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronaviru ... nformation

Dutch Government statistics.

So? When many experts here dont support the data. Do we have to accept it as gospel?

Yes.

Otherwise the Dutch government would be lying.

Is that what you believe?

If so, present better figures, with of course references, and links as I have done.

[rainbow]

To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

Exactly!

Probably due to Tulip Poisoning:

In 1978, however, 6 adults in Yugoslavia ate a goulash prepared with 5 tulip bulbs (purposefully substituted for onions) and developed an array of symptoms: vomiting, nausea, shortness of breath, weakness, increased salivation, feeling warm, sweating, and heart palpitations. All symptoms resolved within a few days except for weakness reported for up to 5 days. Tulips should not be considered food.

Note the symptoms are similar to Covid-19. Coincidence?
I think not!

[Hermit]

Post mortems and co-morbidities don't matter.

So cause of death does not matter? That is a difficult concept. I think it is a fundamental. Just when is it a Covid 19 death? Just which agreed protocol is used? To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

It's an easy concept. You just look at the average deaths during the corresponding weeks of previous years and compare the numbers with this years. Unless you can find another reason for the differences you'll just have to accept that they are due to the Covid pandemic. It's not a big presumption at all.

[Scot Dutchy]

NL.JPG

Not wearing masks works!

Will you just shut up.

Nope.

Where is your scientific evidence?

I got this from the Dutch government. Don't blame me if they are lying to you.

Your control group? Control data?

The Illuminati and the Belgians.

The Belgians

Still no scientific evidence. Never mind. Just you keep on believing it

[Scot Dutchy]

Post mortems and co-morbidities don't matter.

So cause of death does not matter? That is a difficult concept. I think it is a fundamental. Just when is it a Covid 19 death? Just which agreed protocol is used? To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

It's an easy concept. You just look at the average deaths during the corresponding weeks of previous years and compare the numbers with this years. Unless you can find another reason for the differences you'll just have to accept that they are due to the Covid pandemic. It's not a big presumption at all.

No?

[Scot Dutchy]

Post mortems and co-morbidities don't matter.

So cause of death does not matter? That is a difficult concept. I think it is a fundamental. Just when is it a Covid 19 death? Just which agreed protocol is used? To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

It's an easy concept. You just look at the average deaths during the corresponding weeks of previous years and compare the numbers with this years. Unless you can find another reason for the differences you'll just have to accept that they are due to the Covid pandemic. It's not a big presumption at all.

No?

[rainbow]

Still no scientific evidence.

I gave you the link to the Rijksinstituut voor Volksgezondheid en Milieu.

You haven't told us whether you think they are lying.

We are all quite shocked that the Dutch Government would mislead their citizens in such a brazen fashion.

[Brian Peacock]

If you believe the data that is. They just love making up this trivia. Justifies their existence. If you test more the more you will find.The number of deaths? By which reporting protocol? None has been agreed upon. Have postmortems been carried out on all? The numbers of those with underlying fatal illnesses?

I think you're just pretending not to understand what 'excess deaths' are now. It's pretty easy to tell if someone is dead without having to perform a post-mortem - the clue is in the name.

[Brian Peacock]

Post mortems and co-morbidities don't matter.

So cause of death does not matter? That is a difficult concept. I think it is a fundamental. Just when is it a Covid 19 death? Just which agreed protocol is used? To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

If cause of death is significant then what do you think accounts for the sudden spike in the NL death rate - the excess deaths? What factor or factors do you think are at play this year that didn't cause an impact in the previous five years? Are more people suddenly suffering cheese overdoses or tulip traumas, or are the government just making up people to add to the list, or have the NL government always lied about the mortality rate perhaps?

[JimC]

Post mortems and co-morbidities don't matter.

So cause of death does not matter? That is a difficult concept. I think it is a fundamental. Just when is it a Covid 19 death? Just which agreed protocol is used? To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

What other current factors might be responsible for the excess deaths other than Covid 19?

Aliens?

[rainbow]

Post mortems and co-morbidities don't matter.

So cause of death does not matter? That is a difficult concept. I think it is a fundamental. Just when is it a Covid 19 death? Just which agreed protocol is used? To say all excess deaths are due to Covid 19 is a big presumption.

What other current factors might be responsible for the excess deaths other than Covid 19?

Aliens?

Maybe they were smited (smote? smitten?) for disobeying the Gods?

There would be piles of ash next to abandoned bicycles, maybe Scotchy has noticed these?

How about Clog-related injuries, or being hit by a windmill?

[Scot Dutchy]

The numbers are so low it is amazing why people get their knickers in twist over so few. Last week officially 14 over a population of 17 million.
There are far bigger problems in the world. This so-called crisis is being flogged to death politically. How about world poverty and inequality. That costs far more deaths. The protection of young girls from forced marriages is more important to me. The environment has been smoke screened.
But some here are determined to play the game of points scoring arguing about stupid data which none of us has any say over.

[rainbow]

The numbers are so low it is amazing why people get their knickers in twist over so few. Last week officially 14 over a population of 17 million.

That is quite a lot of people dying from eating Tulips, thinking they are Turnips.

I blame the Dutch education system.

[NineBerry]

The numbers of homicide are so low in the Netherlands. Last year, only 119 all the year over a population of 17 millions! Yet, there is so much sensationalist reporting in the news about people being murdered. And there's tens of thousands of police officers. What do we need police for when only so few people are actually murdered?

[Hermit]

The numbers are so low it is amazing why people get their knickers in twist over so few. Last week officially 14 over a population of 17 million.
There are far bigger problems in the world. This so-called crisis is being flogged to death politically. How about world poverty and inequality. That costs far more deaths. The protection of young girls from forced marriages is more important to me. The environment has been smoke screened.
But some here are determined to play the game of points scoring arguing about stupid data which none of us has any say over.

Yes, you are right. The number of deaths caused by poverty, inequality and forced marriages is so high in the Netherlands that a mere 8,593 and 11,691 fatalities between March 9 and May 24 due to the current pandemic can be safely ignored.