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Post by Jason » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:11 pm

I dunno about Kel-Tech so much, but they offer this ugly beast in .22WMR (just about twice the power of .22LR)

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Not much good for CC I imagine.

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Post by mozg » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:16 pm

PordFrefect wrote:.22LR pistols make decent self-defence weapons. 3 shots and they'll drop. 1 if you're a good shot.
I'll stick with my .45 ACP subcompact.

While being an excellent shot with a .22 LR might work, I'd rather carry something that'll penetrate deeper and that I can use jacketed hollow points with. I get that a .22 is better than no gun at all, but not why someone would specifically want one for the purpose of self defense.
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Post by Gallstones » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:17 pm

mozg wrote:
Gallstones wrote:Any recommendations on a decent CC sized .22 pistol?
Any particular reason you want a .22 for it?

The only ones I know of are the Beretta Bobcat and the Taurus PT-22 and I've heard both of those are prone to jam.
The bobcat is .32
I think it's cute.

I want a .22 for aggressive stray dogs. And I want to CC because open carry brings attention I don't want.
I walk a lot.
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Post by Jason » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:19 pm

You can get jacketed hollowpoints in .22LR.. I have some. :?

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Post by mozg » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:25 pm

Gallstones wrote: I want a .22 for aggressive stray dogs.
I walk a lot.
Legal issues aside, the smallest .22LRs you'll probably find are the Beretta Bobcat type: http://www.berettausa.com/products/model-21-bobcat/

And yes, they make it in .22LR and .25ACP.

The .32ACP is the Tomcat.

I believe the Taurus model 22 line is close to the same size, and the Walther just slightly bigger.
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Post by Gallstones » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:30 pm

In my county, as the statute reads right now, I can shoot dogs that threaten me.
I won't get into my aggravation with the county response to reports of menacing strays in this thread.
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Post by mozg » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:31 pm

PordFrefect wrote:You can get jacketed hollowpoints in .22LR.. I have some. :?
You can... if you want.I'll stick with my .45 auto.
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Post by Jason » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:35 pm

The Walther P22 comes with a threaded barrel.. in case you ever want to execute someone quietly you know.

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Post by Jason » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:37 pm

The .22WMR delivers as much punch as the .380ACP (common self-defence chambering) while shooting flatter and carrying more in the clip. If only someone made a non-hideous pistol in .22WMR

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Post by mozg » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:48 pm

PordFrefect wrote:The .22WMR delivers as much punch as the .380ACP (common self-defence chambering) while shooting flatter and carrying more in the clip. If only someone made a non-hideous pistol in .22WMR
That would be nice.

Ultimately the pistol you carry is far more useful than the one you leave at home, so if a super-light, extremely small gun is what you want, go for it. I picked what I'm comfortable carrying every day, and what I can shoot well.
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Post by SteveB » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:50 pm

I likes the USP handgun...good times with that gun on CounterStrike. :shiver:
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Post by Cormac » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:51 pm

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Cormac wrote: A person who really wants to kill themselves with pills will do so by taking a sufficiently large dose quickly.
Which shows you have not done your research. One of the main reasons drugs fail so often is exactly what you just said. If you pile a whole lot of drugs into your stomach, it causes irritation and vomiting. Believe it or not, too many drugs makes it less likely, not more, that you will succeed in killing yourself.
Interesting point. Thank you.

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Post by Blind groper » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:16 pm

I think it is time to sign off.

This thread and the two previous have gone on too damn long. I have already had to repeat each of my arguments about three times, and gun lovers simply come back to repeating the claims I have already debunked. A man can get sick of that sort of thing. I am not going to convince anyone with an emotional fixation of murder tools. So, thanks to those who were courteous, and a very firm curse to those who were not.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:40 pm

PordFrefect wrote:Ew.. a Ruger. You have sullied this thread.
I had a P85.
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