Untold History of the United States

[sandinista]

He's more well known to be a conspiracy theorist than an actual portrayer of history.

Really, "well known" to whom? Thought he was best known as a film maker.

I've seen a couple episodes of it. It's good, though aimed at an audience with a lower level of knowledge than I already have

yah ian I would imagine there's not too many things that could match your high intellect.

There's not much new.

Having watched one episode you say that? Of course there isn't much "new" since it's a historical documentary. However there is a lot of information that would be new to any individuals that don't have the time or desire to digest dozens of historical books.

Plus, Oliver Stone's narration is a trial to listen to

not too bad, besides it\s the content that matters much more than the narration.

..maybe I'll skip it after all. His Kennedy film was dubious to say the least..

two totally different things.

The main question I have is, is it reasonably accurate history?

Thats a good question, and thats the thing with history, it is so complex that there are many many sides to it. Leave out certain aspects of a historical moment and it changes. This is the prime reason this is such a good doc, it gives a lot of information that is generally left out of more mainstream historical takes. It's not bastardized revisionism though if that what your concerned with.

He should've hired Morgan Freeman or someone who is good at narration

no no no

Seems reasonably accurate, though Stone clearly has his own agenda to push

agenda? Besides the fact that everyone, meaning every book and every doc pushes an agenda, so what? It's refreshing to hear a point of view from someone without the standard typical agendas.

But I don't think there's a whole lot of "untold" stuff there.

That's only because you are sooo much smarter than everyone else.

But, really, these are all things every child in the U.S. already knows anyway

Watch the whole series, I seriously doubt that statement.

Just finished watching episode one of the Stone thing. Very interesting stuff. All joking aside, world history as taught in U.S. schools is naturally very Americentric. Nothing in this first video is very shocking, but it's just nice to see a broader picture painted.

I agree 100 percent

[Jason]

Bum Custard

[tattuchu]

Sandy, that first quote of mine you posted, I was referring to my own "history" I'd written. I was just being silly.

[Seth]

I was very interested, till I saw the name Oliver Stone.

Everything I've ever seen by him has been complete shite, aimed at dummies.
Even though I was hoping it wasn't going to be.

I've given up now so I'll pass.

What is wrong with oliver stone?!

He's a Marxist's useful idiot, that's what. His revisionist "history" show is directly out of Zinn's book, which is Marxist propaganda of the highest order.

[Jason]

Seth hates it. It must be good.

[Seth]

He's more well known to be a conspiracy theorist than an actual portrayer of history.

Really, "well known" to whom?

Anybody with half a brain who is not a Marxist useful idiot.

Thought he was best known as a film maker.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

There's not much new.

Having watched one episode you say that? Of course there isn't much "new" since it's a historical documentary. However there is a lot of information that would be new to any individuals that don't have the time or desire to digest dozens of historical books.

The only source Stone has is Howard Zinn, the well-known Marxist author.

The main question I have is, is it reasonably accurate history?

Thats a good question, and thats the thing with history, it is so complex that there are many many sides to it. Leave out certain aspects of a historical moment and it changes. This is the prime reason this is such a good doc, it gives a lot of information that is generally left out of more mainstream historical takes. It's not bastardized revisionism though if that what your concerned with.

It has a lot of made-up information and Marxist spin and not much else.

He should've hired Morgan Freeman or someone who is good at narration

no no no

Communist fucknut Harry Belafonte would have been appropriate.

Seems reasonably accurate, though Stone clearly has his own agenda to push

agenda? Besides the fact that everyone, meaning every book and every doc pushes an agenda, so what? It's refreshing to hear a point of view from someone without the standard typical agendas.

You might as well read the historical dictats of Stalin for all the facts you'll glean from Stone or Zinn. They are all Marxist useful idiots and liars who are purveying nothing more than pure Marxist dialectical propaganda.

[sandinista]

I was very interested, till I saw the name Oliver Stone.

Everything I've ever seen by him has been complete shite, aimed at dummies.
Even though I was hoping it wasn't going to be.

I've given up now so I'll pass.

What is wrong with oliver stone?!

He's a Marxist's useful idiot, that's what. His revisionist "history" show is directly out of Zinn's book, which is Marxist propaganda of the highest order.

Perhaps the best promotion for a show on history we could get, seth says its bullshit therefor it must be accurate.

[Seth]

Seth hates it. It must be good.

For any Kool-Aid drinking Marxist fuckwit useful idiot it's pure ambrosia and Marx's Milk right from his very own breast.

To anybody with half a brain it's just propaganda, and bad propaganda at that.

[Jason]

Have you watched it?

[pErvinalia]

I've seen a couple episodes of it. It's good, though aimed at an audience with a lower level of knowledge than I already have. There's not much new. Plus, Oliver Stone's narration is a trial to listen to; he should have found a better narrator besides himself. But I'll probably watch another the next time I see it's on.

Ha! Yeah, I just watched the first episode and his narration drove me insane! But it was a good watch. The problem I had was the amount of info stuffed in one hour. That amount really should have made up a two hour show. Too much info delivered too quick. But I'll still hunt down the others to watch at some time.

[pErvinalia]

The main question I have is, is it reasonably accurate history? I have almost no knowledge of WW2 so I can't really tell if I've learned something new or if I've learned something nonsense bastardised revisionary.

Seems reasonably accurate, though Stone clearly has his own agenda to push (much of which I sympathize with, but still...). But I don't think there's a whole lot of "untold" stuff there.

But I don't think in the wider population it is even slightly well known that it was really the Soviets who carried the most weight (and lost by far the most soldiers) in the fight against the Nazi's. And I suspect, looking at the topic of the next episode (ep 2), that it will talk about the issue of when and why the bombs were dropped on Japan, and make the point that it was totally unnecessary as the war was over. And THAT is definitely a point that isn't at all known in wider society.

One interesting thing I learnt from the first episode that I didn't really know before was the dynamic/tension between the Nazi's and the Japanese. I didn't realise that if they had of got their shit together they would have easily won the war. Thank God Hitler was such a giant wanker. I also didn't realise, outside of his winter invasion of Russia, that he was such a bad tactician/statesman.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Germany and Japan never had a chance of winning WWII. If Stone is saying this I will wait for downloads so I can pause and make notes.

[pErvinalia]

Well his thesis was that if the Japanese had of gone west into Russia instead of south into Asia, together the Japs and Nazi's would have crushed the Russians. It also wouldn't have got the Americans so into the war, as Pearl Harbour would never have happened.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Well his thesis was that if the Japanese had of gone west into Russia instead of south into Asia, together the Japs and Nazi's would have crushed the Russians. It also wouldn't have got the American's so into the war, as Pearl Harbour would never have happened.

Nomonhan.

[pErvinalia]

You're speaking in code again. Why don't you watch the first ep and report back? It's linked earlier in this thread.