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Re: Glazov exposes the Left (warning: debating style may offend)

Post by Hermit » Thu May 14, 2009 11:17 am

Styrer wrote:Glazov devotes his early chapters to developing Hoffer's notion of 'the believer'. The repetition you cite is well explained.
There are undoubtedly some particular sociological strata as well as psychological characteristics that are especially fertile grounds from which christians , racists, libertarians, milleniarians, communists, fascists, gandhiists, capitalists, republicans, monarchists, rationalists et cetera will attract their ardent - and most likely misguided - adherents from. It does not necessarily follow that the majority of christians , racists, libertarians, milleniarians, communists, fascists, gandhiists, capitalists, republicans, monarchists, rationalists et cetera can be regarded as a "believer" in Hoffer's sense, and believing otherwise is Glasov's most obvious mistake. The repetition is not well explained at all. On the contrary, it is no more than evidence of the mindset of a "true believer", Glasov himself - the mind of an obsessive, deluded, compulsive ranter. From what I read so far, United in Hate: The Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror should be titled: Glazov exposes Glasov.
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Post by Mysturji » Thu May 14, 2009 12:22 pm

Altemeyer exposes the right (wing* authoritarians, that is).
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In his (not so) recent book, The Authoritarians.






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Post by cowiz » Thu May 14, 2009 2:22 pm

Define "left"
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Post by Chinaski » Thu May 14, 2009 3:51 pm

pawiz wrote:Define "left"
Not right?

Anyway, as far as I can tell, this is nothing more than a self-righteous rant intending to demonize progressive or liberal political stances. I wish the leftists would grow a fucking backbone and lot themselves be defined by their opponents.
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Re: Glazov exposes the Left (warning: debating style may offend)

Post by Styrer » Thu May 14, 2009 5:35 pm

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Styrer wrote:Glazov devotes his early chapters to developing Hoffer's notion of 'the believer'. The repetition you cite is well explained.
There are undoubtedly some particular sociological strata as well as psychological characteristics that are especially fertile grounds from which christians , racists, libertarians, milleniarians, communists, fascists, gandhiists, capitalists, republicans, monarchists, rationalists et cetera will attract their ardent - and most likely misguided - adherents from. It does not necessarily follow that the majority of christians , racists, libertarians, milleniarians, communists, fascists, gandhiists, capitalists, republicans, monarchists, rationalists et cetera can be regarded as a "believer" in Hoffer's sense, and believing otherwise is Glasov's most obvious mistake. The repetition is not well explained at all. On the contrary, it is no more than evidence of the mindset of a "true believer", Glasov himself - the mind of an obsessive, deluded, compulsive ranter. From what I read so far, United in Hate: The Left's Romance with Tyranny and Terror should be titled: Glazov exposes Glasov.
Glazov builds on Hoffer, and defines the Believer as one who is alienated from his own society, and therefore rejects its values, including democracy and individual freedom. It's clear,from the earliest chapters of the book you've not read, and your waffle above is utterly useless in moving this topic forward. You're just about on the edge of ejecting yourself from any proper chat on this one.

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Post by CJ » Thu May 14, 2009 6:39 pm

:pop:

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If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

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Post by Styrer » Thu May 14, 2009 11:29 pm

CJ wrote::pop:

Styer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

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Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

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Post by cowiz » Thu May 14, 2009 11:33 pm

Styrer wrote:
CJ wrote::pop:

Styer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

Regards
Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

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Post by Styrer » Thu May 14, 2009 11:37 pm

pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
CJ wrote::pop:

Styer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

Regards
Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

Styrer
Oh goody, we have ourselves a self proclaimed intermerlectual. Well done you!
Would you care, you horrid little fucker, to make a comment on the topic's title?

What a bunch of cunts some of you truly are. The ignorance almost hurts.

I laugh.

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Post by cowiz » Thu May 14, 2009 11:38 pm

Styrer wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
CJ wrote::pop:

Styer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

Regards
Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

Styrer
Oh goody, we have ourselves a self proclaimed intermerlectual. Well done you!
Would you care, you horrid little fucker, to make a comment on the topic's title?

What a bunch of cunts some of your truly are.

I laugh.

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Post by Styrer » Thu May 14, 2009 11:44 pm

pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
CJ wrote::pop:

Styrer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

Regards
Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

Styrer
Oh goody, we have ourselves a self proclaimed intermerlectual. Well done you!
Delighted to receive your pathetic little rebuke. What's your position on Sean Penn? The fact that you haven't stepped up so far is surely nothing to do with your being a full-blooded, wholesome cunt?

Answers on a postcard, at your own sad little expense.

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Post by cowiz » Fri May 15, 2009 12:05 am

Styrer wrote: Delighted to receive your pathetic little rebuke. What's your position on Sean Penn? The fact that you haven't stepped up so far is surely nothing to do with your being a full-blooded, wholesome cunt?

Answers on a postcard, at your own sad little expense.

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Post by Don't Panic » Fri May 15, 2009 12:12 am

Styrer wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
CJ wrote::pop:

Styer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

Regards
Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

Styrer
Oh goody, we have ourselves a self proclaimed intermerlectual. Well done you!
Would you care, you horrid little fucker, to make a comment on the topic's title?

What a bunch of cunts some of you truly are. The ignorance almost hurts.

I laugh.

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Post by Don't Panic » Fri May 15, 2009 12:13 am

pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
CJ wrote::pop:

Styer

If you have pissed off everybody with the style of your arguments rather than their substance what have you achieved?

Regards
Chris
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

Styrer
Oh goody, we have ourselves a self proclaimed intermerlectual. Well done you!
Would you care, you horrid little fucker, to make a comment on the topic's title?

What a bunch of cunts some of your truly are.

I laugh.

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Pawiz, attack the ideas not the person, since this is your first offence you're getting a reminder to play within the rules.
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Re: Glazov exposes the Left [mod]debating style may offend[/mod]

Post by Don't Panic » Fri May 15, 2009 12:14 am

Styrer wrote:
pawiz wrote:
Styrer wrote:
You almost answer your own question. Answer: the knowledge that thin-skinned objection to manner and tone precisely matter more to some of you censorious lot than the arguments presented.

It's not looking too good for some of you. And to the ones who were simply silent observers - I look forward to engaging with your less than dulcet tones next time.

Styrer
Oh goody, we have ourselves a self proclaimed intermerlectual. Well done you!
Delighted to receive your pathetic little rebuke. What's your position on Sean Penn? The fact that you haven't stepped up so far is surely nothing to do with your being a full-blooded, wholesome cunt?

Answers on a postcard, at your own sad little expense.

Ignoramus.

Styrer
And another personal attack. So another formal warning and a 48 hour suspension to go with it.

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And those Zumwalts are already useless, they can be taken out with an ICBM.
The world is a thing of utter inordinate complexity and richness and strangeness that is absolutely awesome. I mean the idea that such complexity can arise not only out of such simplicity, but probably absolutely out of nothing, is the most fabulous extraordinary idea. And once you get some kind of inkling of how that might have happened, it's just wonderful. And . . . the opportunity to spend 70 or 80 years of your life in such a universe is time well spent as far as I am concerned.
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