Riiight, because Republicans have such a good record on looking after the poor.Forty Two wrote:What were you saying? Sorry, I missed that while I was out having a shootout at high noon in front of the Double Horseshoe Saloon.pErvin wrote:The only things inevitable in the US are death and taxes, and that Republicans will actively work to ensure that as many poor people as possible die from lack of healthcare.
It's amazing the misconceptions people like you have of the United States.
How do you know it is false?Forty Two wrote:She's the one who falsely claimed to be a native AmericanL'Emmerdeur wrote:Nah, it's just that "hopeless Pocahontas" shooting off her mouth again.
Do you want to talk about the Republicans actively working to ensure poor people die from lack of healthcare, or the overall record on looking after the poor?pErvin wrote:Riiight, because Republicans have such a good record on looking after the poor.Forty Two wrote:What were you saying? Sorry, I missed that while I was out having a shootout at high noon in front of the Double Horseshoe Saloon.pErvin wrote:The only things inevitable in the US are death and taxes, and that Republicans will actively work to ensure that as many poor people as possible die from lack of healthcare.
It's amazing the misconceptions people like you have of the United States.
She doesn't have a single identified ancestor who is native American. Her argument is to say "see, we have high cheekbones." Come on, man. If a Republican said that, you'd be laughing your head off at him. She described herself as a minority in a law school directory and was touted as a Native American faculty member while tenured at Harvard Law School in the mid-1990s. She has described herself as having Cherokee and Delaware Indian ancestry, but there is zero evidence to back up the claim. She's claimed to be 1/32 cherokee - so one Great Great Great Grandparent that's a Cherokee. There is zero evidence to back up that claim, and even if it were true, it would not be enough to qualify her to be part of the Cherokee Tribes.pErvin wrote:How do you know it is false?Forty Two wrote:She's the one who falsely claimed to be a native AmericanL'Emmerdeur wrote:Nah, it's just that "hopeless Pocahontas" shooting off her mouth again.
That's the new ex post facto myth, that insurance before didn't cover anything. Dude, I've been buying health insurance since about 1989. Your statement is false.Tero wrote:More of the myth. Americans want to buy cheap insurance, like before Obama. The kind that didn't cover anything.
Also, generally, if someone says "i'm Irish" it's because they know of ancestors who are/were Irish. They don't say "I have light skin, and my parents said my grandparents used to tell stories about how they had an Irish relative among THEIR grandparents..."pErvin wrote:How do you know it is false?Forty Two wrote:She's the one who falsely claimed to be a native AmericanL'Emmerdeur wrote:Nah, it's just that "hopeless Pocahontas" shooting off her mouth again.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... isleading/Republican-led states also passed restrictions on some of the features designed to boost marketplace enrollment, including enrollment assistance and outreach efforts. The Trump administration continued in this vein, putting an end to all media outreach intended to boost last-minute signups prior to the Jan. 31, 2017 deadline. Already paid-for ads and emails to HealthCare.gov visitors were cut.
"It would have been hard for CBO to accurately anticipate how persistently hostile GOP state and federal politicians would be towards the ACA, which undoubtedly has helped suppress Marketplace enrollment," said Ben Sommers, an associate professor of health policy and economics at Harvard University.
Leave it to you to repeat a scurrilous attack on Warren that was debunked years ago. Do you have any evidence in support, or are you just mindlessly parroting tired political slander?Forty Two wrote:She's the one who falsely claimed to be a native American in order to help her Ivy League career path. If a Republican claimed to be native American because of the high cheekbones that run in her family, and alleged family "lore," I am sure you'd have some laughs about it. If the shoe fits, wear it.L'Emmerdeur wrote:Nah, it's just that "hopeless Pocahontas" shooting off her mouth again.
Warren, who graduated from the University of Houston in 1970 and got her law degree from Rutgers University in 1976, did not seek to take advantage of affirmative action policies during her education, according to documents obtained by the Associated Press and The Boston Globe. On the application to Rutgers Law School she was asked, "Are you interested in applying for admission under the Program for Minority Group Students?'' "No," she replied.
While a teacher at the University of Texas, she listed herself as "white." But between 1986 and 1995, she listed herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Faculty; the University of Pennsylvania in a 2005 "minority equity report" also listed her as one of the minority professors who had taught at its law school.
The head of the committee that brought Warren to Harvard Law School said talk of Native American ties was not a factor in recruiting her to the prestigious institution. Reported the Boston Herald in April in its first story on Warren's ancestry claim: "Harvard Law professor Charles Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General who served under Ronald Reagan, sat on the appointing committee that recommended Warren for hire in 1995. He said he didn't recall her Native American heritage ever coming up during the hiring process.
"'It simply played no role in the appointments process. It was not mentioned and I didn't mention it to the faculty,' he said."
He repeated himself this week, telling the Herald: "In spite of conclusive evidence to the contrary, the story continues to circulate that Elizabeth Warren enjoyed some kind of affirmative action leg-up in her hiring as a full professor by the Harvard Law School. The innuendo is false."
"I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned," he added.
That view was echoed by Law School Professor Laurence H. Tribe, who voted to tenure Warren and was also involved in recruiting her.
"Elizabeth Warren's heritage had absolutely no role in the decision to recruit her to Harvard Law School," he told the Crimson. "Our decision was entirely based on her extraordinary expertise and legendary teaching ability. This whole dispute is fabricated out of whole cloth and has no connection to reality."
And that's the second arena where an absence of evidence should have some weight. If there's no easily located evidence that Warren has Native American ancestry, there's also no evidence Warren used her family story to boost herself into a Harvard job.
A huge tell -- beyond the flat denials of two of the men who brought her to the school -- is that Warren's ancestry was not touted in 1995 in the Harvard Crimson as the Law School's first Native American hire, despite the ethnic studies movement's gathering force on the college's campus at the time and continued controversy over the lack of diversity at the law school (as highlighted at a protest involving Prof. Derrick Bell and law school student Barack Obama in 1991). The Crimson article on Warren was titled simply, "Woman Tenured at Law School."
Bullshit.Forty Two wrote:If the deal was related only to covering the poor, then we'd just fucking raise the income level at which someone is entitled to Medicaid, or do a means-tested subsidy. But you will notice that they didn't do that.
"Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act"
[The ACA] modifies how income is calculated for most Medicaid applicants, including those in the new eligibility group. Starting in 2014, states must use Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) for eligibility determination for most applicants. This is adjusted gross income as defined in the Internal Revenue Code, modified by applying a 5 percent “disregard.” This method eliminates resource tests. The combined effect of requiring coverage up to 133 percent of poverty and then use of MAGI budgeting effectively raises the income level for most Medicaid applicants to 138 percent of poverty.
[Emphasis mine.]
So what you're saying here is that there's no proof she isn't Native American, either by culture or ancestry?Forty Two wrote:She doesn't have a single identified ancestor who is native American. Her argument is to say "see, we have high cheekbones." Come on, man. If a Republican said that, you'd be laughing your head off at him. She described herself as a minority in a law school directory and was touted as a Native American faculty member while tenured at Harvard Law School in the mid-1990s. She has described herself as having Cherokee and Delaware Indian ancestry, but there is zero evidence to back up the claim. She's claimed to be 1/32 cherokee - so one Great Great Great Grandparent that's a Cherokee. There is zero evidence to back up that claim, and even if it were true, it would not be enough to qualify her to be part of the Cherokee Tribes.pErvin wrote:How do you know it is false?Forty Two wrote:She's the one who falsely claimed to be a native AmericanL'Emmerdeur wrote:Nah, it's just that "hopeless Pocahontas" shooting off her mouth again.
As far back as any genealogist has traced her ancestry, which is pretty far, there is no Native American ancestor present in her lineage. Wouldn't that be enough for you to discount such a claim made by someone you didn't like?
You are still stuck in your ridiculous tu quoque / red herring partisan way of thinking. Obamacare has absolutely nothing to do with whether the Republicans give a fuck about poor people.Forty Two wrote:Do you want to talk about the Republicans actively working to ensure poor people die from lack of healthcare, or the overall record on looking after the poor?pErvin wrote:Riiight, because Republicans have such a good record on looking after the poor.Forty Two wrote:What were you saying? Sorry, I missed that while I was out having a shootout at high noon in front of the Double Horseshoe Saloon.pErvin wrote:The only things inevitable in the US are death and taxes, and that Republicans will actively work to ensure that as many poor people as possible die from lack of healthcare.
It's amazing the misconceptions people like you have of the United States.
The notion of them working to ensure that as many poor people as possible die from lack of healthcare is absurd. Most poor people are entitled to Medicaid, and have been for decades. Children are always eligible for care under SCHIP and have been for decades. Obamacare was not about covering the poor. If the deal was related only to covering the poor, then we'd just fucking raise the income level at which someone is entitled to Medicaid, or do a means-tested subsidy. But you will notice that they didn't do that. Instead, they did a universal mandate that everyone buy health insurance. That's because most of the uninsured in the US were not poor, and could afford insurance. I know you'll refuse to believe that, but I've many times posted the proof of that.
Exactly. Thanks for making my argument for me. This is a classic example of how you can't see past your partisan bias. You have literally just made my point for me.If you wanted to help "the poor" - all you'd have to do is raise the Medicaid level to scoop up 12 million Americans without affordable options.
Obamacare has absolutely nothing to do with whether Republicans generally hate the poor and disadvantaged.Note, we have skyrocketing health care costs. When Obamacare was being sold, we were told it was to reduce health care costs, and we were compared to the rest of the world in news articles saying how we pay so much more than every other industrialized nation. Obamacare made that comparison worse, which is why you never see articles and reports on CNN about it. They have to give some space between Obama's administration, and then -- mark my words - you'll start hearing about it. As soon as it can be blamed on Trump, it will come out again.
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