Poll: Whaddya reckon about God's existence?

[Animavore]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Sounds fair.

[rainbow]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

[Svartalf]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Sounds fair.

Ecstatic or psychedelic experiences can give a taste of "god"... As for really knowing it, aye, all who claimm to lie.

[Animavore]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

London isn't beyond your comprehension and therefore unknowable by definition.

[Animavore]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Sounds fair.

Ecstatic or psychedelic experiences can give a taste of "god"... As for really knowing it, aye, all who claimm to lie.

Or maybe they just give a taste of ecstatic or psychedelic experiences. I've had both, by the way. I never thought, "Wow. This is God." It was always more like, "I'm off my tits." Most mystics would say any 'god' experiences experienced through drugs are not proper god experiences. Certainly in Buddhism drugs are considered to cloud the mind, not lift it.

[Svartalf]

Drugs cloud the mind? Say great tea drinkers...
and anyway, do you need a clear mind to perceive what is impossible to understand?

[Brian Peacock]

I like busting a nut rather than busting a vein. Anyway, I chose "de facto atheist" but I really don't like the distinction. No one can know with 100% certainty that there is or is not a god, in the same way that we don't don't know anything with 100% certainty.

I guess that depends which god we're talking about.

I'm certain I know what 2+2 is, but I catch the flap of your flares there.

[Brian Peacock]

A question as to whether something, often defined such that its existence is unfalsifiable, actually exists - is meaningless wibble.

We have a winner!

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[Animavore]

Drugs cloud the mind? Say great tea drinkers...
and anyway, do you need a clear mind to perceive what is impossible to understand?

You need a mind clear of attachments, apparently, to understand some truths about reality. I don't think a bodhi fully understands the transcendant, which is why they often discourage speaking about it, preferring to stay silent. I think you're supposed to lose it once you start yammering on about what it is and what it wishes. To Buddhists many Christians, especially those who claim God loves this or hates that, have certainly lost it.

Or something like that. My Buddhist phase was about ten years ago now. I'm not up to speed on it.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

My Buddhist phase was about ten years ago now. I'm not up to speed on it.

Oh, so drugs bad but speed OK?

[rainbow]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

London isn't beyond your comprehension and therefore unknowable by definition.

Actually knowing the quantum state of every subatomic particle within the area of London is beyond my grasp.


I know my limitations.

The Almighty is probably somewhat more difficult.

[Seth]

However, simply asserting without proof or definition that "god is infinite" is one of the things that makes no fucking sense at all!

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

London isn't beyond your comprehension and therefore unknowable by definition.

Well.....maybe.

Just because something is beyond YOUR comprehension doesn't mean it's "unknowable" or beyond ANY comprehension. One may perhaps view God darkly, as through a glass....And it may be that an incomplete comprehension is enough.

[Animavore]

It isn't supposed to make sense.

Any Divine Being worth the name would be beyond our comprehension.






Obviously.

Which would make every single person who claims to 'know' God a liar.

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

London isn't beyond your comprehension and therefore unknowable by definition.

Well.....maybe.

Just because something is beyond YOUR comprehension doesn't mean it's "unknowable" or beyond ANY comprehension. One may perhaps view God darkly, as through a glass....And it may be that an incomplete comprehension is enough.

I'm pretty sure that glass has changed quite a lot since that saying was invented to the extent that we can see quite clearly through it.

But even if we take that they see God darkly, like through a stained glass window, I'm not sure how they can say that what the warped silhouette they're seeing is God and not something else. In fact, given that no one seems to know what God is, every theist out in the world might be fumbling around like the blind men in the elephant analogy, except in this case they all have a grasp on something completely different, a dog, a cat, a swan, a catepillar (to use these as analogy of differing experience)... and yet when they share their scraps of info together they're all convincing each other they all have hold of some part or other of a god because that's what they've all presumed before hand.

You keep posing these maybe questions to me, and I guess you think I haven't thought about them, or that you're trying to challenge my assumptions, but you keep over-looking that they work both ways.

[Animavore]

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

London isn't beyond your comprehension and therefore unknowable by definition.

Actually knowing the quantum state of every subatomic particle within the area of London is beyond my grasp.


I know my limitations.

The Almighty is probably somewhat more difficult.

Some people might look at a beautiful sunrise glowing behind the cityscape of London and declare, "I see a lot of God in this sky." while the atheist thinks, It's just a beautiful sky. (true story, but in reference to Dublin) I guess how easy or difficult it is to find God depends on your standard or interpretation of evidence. Not on how difficult it is in any practical or technical way.

[rainbow]

Depends. I know London as a city, but I don't know everything that goes on in the place.

How do they make this claim?

London isn't beyond your comprehension and therefore unknowable by definition.

Actually knowing the quantum state of every subatomic particle within the area of London is beyond my grasp.


I know my limitations.

The Almighty is probably somewhat more difficult.

Some people might look at a beautiful sunrise glowing behind the cityscape of London and declare, "I see a lot of God in this sky." while the atheist thinks, It's just a beautiful sky. (true story, but in reference to Dublin) I guess how easy or difficult it is to find God depends on your standard or interpretation of evidence.

Exactly.
Also known as Faith.

Not on how difficult it is in any practical or technical way.

You were doing so well until this point.