U.K. is not a synonym of England

[Red Celt]

I for one deem that the saxons ought to take their subjects back and make restitution of the six counties to the country and island they legitimately belong to.

Because borders have to be on the shoreline? OK. When does the whole of North and South America get merged into one country? Or does the Panama Canal constitute a shoreline? North America and Central America (as far South as the canal)... one country. Make it so.

No?

If the counterargument is moving towards the "who was here first" approach, I'm going to sit here with popcorn if it's made by anyone from the U.S.A., Canada, Australia or New Zealand.

[Svartalf]

You've been british too long to even understand what it is to be occupied by hostile foreigners, or just too self centered to get that Scotland is not the only place that deserves to be free from those parasites?

[Coito ergo sum]

Well you didn't read my post either, please do
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 0#p1309989

Then tell me how smart I am for a Yank (and Yes, you have to grade on a scale)

Sorry, no, I did read your post at the time. It was more or less accurate. Minor quibbles, but that's all.

Can you clarify the minor quibbles?

Exactly as I said... they were minor. They've been un-quibbled in the rest of the thread. Things like whether or not the small islands of England, Scotland and Wales are part of Great Britain or not (which depends upon whether you're being geographical (no) or political (yes)) and the island of Ireland isn't to the NW of Great Britain. It's West.

Well the directional for Ireland is irrelevant, really, as it's not part of the question. Yes, it's West.

And, the small islands are not part of Great Britain, which describes a big island, but they are British isles, and are part of the UK. That's right, right?

Any other quibbles?

[Red Celt]

You've been british too long to even understand what it is to be occupied by hostile foreigners, or just too self centered to get that Scotland is not the only place that deserves to be free from those parasites?

Please explain your reasoning. Are you actually talking about N.Ireland, here? Hostile foreigners? The people of Northern Ireland who call themselves British (more vociferously, usually, than any other Brits in the rest of the U.K.) have descended from ancestors who have been there longer than the U.S.A has been a country. Are all Native Americans being occupied by hostile foreigners?

[Red Celt]

Exactly as I said... they were minor. They've been un-quibbled in the rest of the thread. Things like whether or not the small islands of England, Scotland and Wales are part of Great Britain or not (which depends upon whether you're being geographical (no) or political (yes)) and the island of Ireland isn't to the NW of Great Britain. It's West.

Well the directional for Ireland is irrelevant, really, as it's not part of the question. Yes, it's West.

And, the small islands are not part of Great Britain, which describes a big island, but they are British isles, and are part of the UK. That's right, right?

Any other quibbles?

Fuck me, this is like talking to a Romney supporter... see the parts I put in bold.

[Svartalf]

You've been british too long to even understand what it is to be occupied by hostile foreigners, or just too self centered to get that Scotland is not the only place that deserves to be free from those parasites?

Please explain your reasoning. Are you actually talking about N.Ireland, here? Hostile foreigners? The people of Northern Ireland who call themselves British (more vociferously, usually, than any other Brits in the rest of the U.K.) have descended from ancestors who have been there longer than the U.S.A has been a country. Are all non Native Americans being occupied by hostile foreigners?

Sure, and theuy are quite busy being anranger than the orange dynasty and oppressing the native helf of the population... You need a remake of Bloody Sunday and a comeback of the provos to jog your memory? They may have been there long and own all the choice real estate and a large part of the less choice, they are still occupying forces for a foreign power, not local... Just compare with the Norse who settled and ended up being "more Irish than the Irish".

[Svartalf]

Exactly as I said... they were minor. They've been un-quibbled in the rest of the thread. Things like whether or not the small islands of England, Scotland and Wales are part of Great Britain or not (which depends upon whether you're being geographical (no) or political (yes)) and the island of Ireland isn't to the NW of Great Britain. It's West.

Well the directional for Ireland is irrelevant, really, as it's not part of the question. Yes, it's West.

And, the small islands are not part of Great Britain, which describes a big island, but they are British isles, and are part of the UK. That's right, right?

Any other quibbles?

Fuck me, this is like talking to a Romney supporter... see the parts I put in bold.

CES IS a Romney supporter.

[Mysturji]

Northern Ireland is certainly in the north of Ireland, but the most northerly point in Ireland is not in Northern Ireland, so it is therefore in the south.

Doesn't that depend who you are talking to? Those that suggest that Northern Ireland is illegally occupied, would suggest, with great ire, that Northern Ireland is Irish and therefore it is, indeed, the northern part of Ireland.

Yes, it would probably be better if we had a united ireland, that re-joined the United Kingdom.

That would probably stop the arguments and the Ire.

Without the ire I guess it would just be called Island?

Or Island number 2, UK.

"Lesser Britain" - "LB"

[Red Celt]

You need a remake of Bloody Sunday and a comeback of the provos to jog your memory?

I don't need my memory jogging. I'm using logic, here. You aren't. They're not "foreigners". They're not there at the insistence of the rest of the U.K.. I was born the same year that the modern "troubles" started. All of my life, I've been a legitimate target of the IRA and all of my life, I'd have been perfectly happy for the Brits in N.I to stop thinking of themselves as Brits and calm the fuck down. And fuck the fuck off. Or at the very least, to stop killing each other.

We're not dealing with a situation that we created. We're dealing with a situation that we inherited. And by "we" I mean everyone in this mess, on any of the islands. More recently, there has been (relative) peace in N.I. and long may it continue.

And long may fuckwits who go on about "illegal occupation" (Really? Which laws?) shut the fuck up about something they know nothing about.

[Red Celt]

CES IS a Romney supporter.

I know.

[Coito ergo sum]

Exactly as I said... they were minor. They've been un-quibbled in the rest of the thread. Things like whether or not the small islands of England, Scotland and Wales are part of Great Britain or not (which depends upon whether you're being geographical (no) or political (yes)) and the island of Ireland isn't to the NW of Great Britain. It's West.

Well the directional for Ireland is irrelevant, really, as it's not part of the question. Yes, it's West.

And, the small islands are not part of Great Britain, which describes a big island, but they are British isles, and are part of the UK. That's right, right?

Any other quibbles?

Fuck me, this is like talking to a Romney supporter... see the parts I put in bold.

This just becomes a rhetorical shell game.

How are the small islands "politically" part of Great Britain? What is the full extent of the political Great Britain?

[Red Celt]

This just becomes a rhetorical shell game.

How are the small islands "politically" part of Great Britain? What is the full extent of the political Great Britain?

A farmer has a ploughed field. One day, it rains - and he realises that his drainage system isn't working too well. In all of the furrows of soil, there are strips of water. He has a field of thin strips of "land" separated by thin strips of "water". It is still his field.

Politically, if you ignore some of the water between some of the land, it is more elegant (and saves a lot of ink on paper) to say "this field" than to say "strip of land 1, strip of land 2, strip of land 3..." etc.

Likewise, politically, it is easier to say "Great Britain" than it is to say "Great Britain, the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Mull, Skye, Scarba..." etc. Government officials already have far too many ways of wasting their time.

[Coito ergo sum]

This just becomes a rhetorical shell game.

How are the small islands "politically" part of Great Britain? What is the full extent of the political Great Britain?

A farmer has a ploughed field. One day, it rains - and he realises that his drainage system isn't working too well. In all of the furrows of soil, there are strips of water. He has a field of thin strips of "land" separated by thin strips of "water". It is still his field.

Politically, if you ignore some of the water between some of the land, it is more elegant (and saves a lot of ink on paper) to say "this field" than to say "strip of land 1, strip of land 2, strip of land 3..." etc.

Likewise, politically, it is easier to say "Great Britain" than it is to say "Great Britain, the Isle of Wight, Anglesey, Mull, Skye, Scarba..." etc. Government officials already have far too many ways of wasting their time.

That grouping is not a political entity, is it?

What political entity do those islands belong to?

[Red Celt]

That grouping is not a political entity, is it?

What political entity do those islands belong to?

Where are you trying to take this? The political entities those islands belong to are England, Scotland and Wales. But those 3 countries don't solely exist on the largest island. They also exist on the little islands that surround the biggest island.

[Coito ergo sum]

That grouping is not a political entity, is it?

What political entity do those islands belong to?

Where are you trying to take this? The political entities those islands belong to are England, Scotland and Wales. But those 3 countries don't solely exist on the largest island. They also exist on the little islands that surround the biggest island.

So what? That makes them part of England, Scotland and/or Wales, and also part of the UK.

They aren't "politically" part of Great Britain, because Great Britain isn't a political entity. England is not "politically" part of anything called Great Britain either. England is geographically on Great Britain, and politically part of the UK.