Boston Marathon hit by explosions

[mistermack]

The ACTUAL Irish people on this thread have bluntly condemned this despicable and murderous crime.

Did you really? Well done you. You must have saved dozens of lives with your blunt condemnations.

I personally see no point in stating the obvious, on a remote website. If I met a bereaved relative face to face, I'd express sympathy.
On here, it's just posturing.

Mistermack is clearly no friend of Irish people, given his clear antipathy towards Irish people, his historical ignorance, and broad sweeping statements about Irish Americans.

Either way, even if he were Irish, his bias, bigotry, and approval of this disgusting act would have NO implications for other Irish people, or for our country.

Now you're just making stuff up. I never approved this disgusting act, I pointed to similar disgusting acts carried out by the IRA, and well funded from Boston.
Yes, I'm biased. I'm biased against terrorists. Including Irish and Americans. Fuck em all.

[JimC]

I am not caught up in this thread, and I don't think I want to be.

My parents had called yesterday while I was at rehearsal, and I just got the message that my sister's sister-in-law was running the race, and was at mile 23 when the explosions happened. She was evacuated in a bus. My sister, her husband, his parents, and my nephews were en route to the bleachers at Copley to watch her finish. They were late getting out the door, so they were still traveling there when it happened.

This was all real before for me, but it just got one hell of a lot more immediate.

These are real people that got hurt, everyone. Not symbols. Not points in an argument, or pawns in some big political game of tit for tat. Please consider that when you post.

A friend of my wife, and her family, had gone to Boston to watch a family member run the marathon. They were in the cafe near the explosion, but went back to their hotel to get something 10 minutes before the bomb struck. Not many degrees of separation here...

[Cormac]

I am not caught up in this thread, and I don't think I want to be.

My parents had called yesterday while I was at rehearsal, and I just got the message that my sister's sister-in-law was running the race, and was at mile 23 when the explosions happened. She was evacuated in a bus. My sister, her husband, his parents, and my nephews were en route to the bleachers at Copley to watch her finish. They were late getting out the door, so they were still traveling there when it happened.

This was all real before for me, but it just got one hell of a lot more immediate.

These are real people that got hurt, everyone. Not symbols. Not points in an argument, or pawns in some big political game of tit for tat. Please consider that when you post.

A friend of my wife, and her family, had gone to Boston to watch a family member run the marathon. They were in the cafe near the explosion, but went back to their hotel to get something 10 minutes before the bomb struck. Not many degrees of separation here...

Two people from my (tiny) village were running in it.

They're ok, thank goodness.

[Cormac]

The ACTUAL Irish people on this thread have bluntly condemned this despicable and murderous crime.

Did you really? Well done you. You must have saved dozens of lives with your blunt condemnations.

I personally see no point in stating the obvious, on a remote website. If I met a bereaved relative face to face, I'd express sympathy.
On here, it's just posturing.

Well, I suppose posturing is not as bad as your gleeful revelling and Schadenfreude laden delight at the maiming and murder of children and adults on a Boston Street.

Mistermack is clearly no friend of Irish people, given his clear antipathy towards Irish people, his historical ignorance, and broad sweeping statements about Irish Americans.

Either way, even if he were Irish, his bias, bigotry, and approval of this disgusting act would have NO implications for other Irish people, or for our country.

Now you're just making stuff up. I never approved this disgusting act, I pointed to similar disgusting acts carried out by the IRA, and well funded from Boston.
Yes, I'm biased. I'm biased against terrorists. Including Irish and Americans. Fuck em all.

You did approve this act, when you spitefully declared that the victims and the people of Boston deserved it because "They funded the IRA".

And as I've already pointed out to you, it is precisely your notions that allow the likes of the IRA and their vile counterparts on the loyalist side to rationalise their murders of innocent civilians. It is an idiotic ideology that leads to a cycle of unending violence. That you don't see this speaks volumes for the value of your notions.

[JimC]

Cormac wrote:

You did approve this act, when you spitefully declared that the victims and the people of Boston deserved it because "They funded the IRA"

I generally agree, although approve might be a fraction too strong a word...

[HomerJay]

This is EXACTLY the time, because when america is dishing it out, they NEVER stop to ask if THEY would like it done to them.

It's the simplest lesson, that mothers teach their kids. If YOU wouldn't like it, don't do it to others.

Now they know, perhaps they will think twice about exporting this shit to other people, in the future.

Probably not, though.

Well, IRA support from Irish Americans in Boston was dwarfed by the amount of IRA support that came from Irish people living in Ireland. So if a bomb were to go off in Ireland today, would you gloat and wag your finger at the Irish for having supported the IRA?


Or is this really just a case of you seeking every opportunity to give a big "fuck you" to the Americans?

My understanding is that it's actually the opposite-- the money from Boston Irish dwarfed the amount that was raised in-country.

This is correct in the 70s-90s but then it is was 9/11 that changed that, funding terror became a no-no and the IRA sued for peace instead.

Your timing is off by several years and interpretations of what happened in the peace process.

The way I heard, Richard Haass the merkin ambassador to the Irish peace process, was actually in Dublin on 9/11, due to travel north to meet Adams and McGuinness. Already unhappy about IRA involvement with training FARC, 9/11 was a game changer. Haass insisted on disarming. Adams wanted to convince hardliners that they had to decommission and the lack of further support from merika meant that the IRA started decommissioning just a few weeks later, when this had been impossible before.

[mistermack]

The way I heard, Richard Haass the merkin ambassador to the Irish peace process, was actually in Dublin on 9/11, due to travel north to meet Adams and McGuinness. Already unhappy about IRA involvement with training FARC, 9/11 was a game changer. Haass insisted on disarming. Adams wanted to convince hardliners that they had to decommission and the lack of further support from merika meant that the IRA started decommissioning just a few weeks later, when this had been impossible before.

Exactly.

[mistermack]

Cormac wrote:

You did approve this act, when you spitefully declared that the victims and the people of Boston deserved it because "They funded the IRA"

I generally agree, although approve might be a fraction too strong a word...

Perhaps you can quote me then.

Because Cormac is just lying his head off.

[Cormac]

The way I heard, Richard Haass the merkin ambassador to the Irish peace process, was actually in Dublin on 9/11, due to travel north to meet Adams and McGuinness. Already unhappy about IRA involvement with training FARC, 9/11 was a game changer. Haass insisted on disarming. Adams wanted to convince hardliners that they had to decommission and the lack of further support from merika meant that the IRA started decommissioning just a few weeks later, when this had been impossible before.

Decommissioning had long been on the cards. 9-11 might have moved it forward, or given each side enough space to allow it to happen.

IIRC Haass was not a great choice of Ambassador, and there was general concern that he'd stumble in the job and cause a fracture in the process.

[Cormac]

The way I heard, Richard Haass the merkin ambassador to the Irish peace process, was actually in Dublin on 9/11, due to travel north to meet Adams and McGuinness. Already unhappy about IRA involvement with training FARC, 9/11 was a game changer. Haass insisted on disarming. Adams wanted to convince hardliners that they had to decommission and the lack of further support from merika meant that the IRA started decommissioning just a few weeks later, when this had been impossible before.

Exactly.

And this justifies your gleeful delight at the appalling crime visited on innocent people in Boston how?

Besides which, what it refers to is political support from the US government, not the financial support of Irish Americans

[Cormac]

Cormac wrote:

You did approve this act, when you spitefully declared that the victims and the people of Boston deserved it because "They funded the IRA"

I generally agree, although approve might be a fraction too strong a word...

Perhaps you can quote me then.

Because Cormac is just lying his head off.

This:

The people of Boston blatantly financed the IRA bombs for many years.

Now they know what it feels like. Shame it's always the wrong ones that get hurt. That's what bombs are like

...and the general context in which in was posted, its tone, and your follow up posts.

If you're going to whine that you've been misinterpreted I suggest that this is your problem, and that it is for you to clarify your meaning.

[mistermack]

There you are, the truth doesn't hurt, does it?

Not what you said, at all, is it? Why the need to lie? If you have an argument, you don't need to invent.

[Ian]

It sucks that the truly stupid of the world also happen to be stubbornly arrogant. It still hasn't even crossed your mind to apologize, has it MM?

[Cormac]

There you are, the truth doesn't hurt, does it?

Not what you said, at all, is it? Why the need to lie? If you have an argument, you don't need to invent.

The way I read it, it is exactly what I said.

I have not lied.

If you are claiming that you've been misinterpreted, well, you can apologise for your poor communication, and try again.

[mistermack]

It sucks that the truly stupid of the world also happen to be stubbornly arrogant. It still hasn't even crossed your mind to apologize, has it MM?

I had noticed that you were stubbornly arrogant. And the stupid bit goes without saying. Yes, I'm sorry I missed the connection.