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Re: Pope To Resign?

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:23 pm

Our own nasty piece of work, Cardinal George Pell, once a starch ally of the pope, has given him a parting serve...
From today's Age...
A frail Benedict XVI made his public farewell to the world's Catholics on Wednesday morning, hours after one of his closest allies - Sydney Archbishop George Pell - criticised his decision to resign and said the church needed a stronger leader.
Cardinal Pell, who was close to the Pope when both served on the key Vatican watchdog congregation and played an important role gathering support for him at the 2005 conclave at which Benedict was elected, said the resignation created a precedent and left the church in an even more uncertan position.
Cardinal Pell, Australia's only voter at the coming papal election, was unexpectedly candid in a television interview. He said: "People who, for example, might disagree with a future pope will mount a campaign to get him to resign."
He called the Pope a brilliant teacher but said government was not his strongest point. "He's got to know his theology but I think I prefer somebody who can lead the church and pull it togther a bit," he said.
Benedict was the first pope to step down voluntarily since 1294, and conservatives fear the precedent will open the church to other possible innovations at a time when it faces profound challenges.
In Rome - doing its best on Wednesday morning, bathed in pale winter sunshine - Benedict made a poignant farewell at his final general audience, threading his way in the popemobile through the thousands gathered in St Peter's Square for a scheduled audience. Pilgrims and wellwishers gave him an affectionate farewell, waving placards saying "goodbye and thanks".
But only those already scheduled to attend the audience were allowed in the square, leaving many thousands more pressed up against the barriers and down the street, leaving Benedict the same remote figure he often seemed during his papacy.
For those in the audience, it was a bonus to be part of history - academics from Birmingham, England, and students from Birmingham, Alabama, plus students from Stubenville, Ohio, a Japanese women's college, and former Anglicans from England.
There were plenty of prelates present, whose minds must have turned partly to the coming few weeks and a conclave lacking any strong favourites. Cardinal Pell said he was unlikely to be promoted, but did not rule it out. "It could happen - I'm Catholic, I'm a bishop, I'm a cardinal," he said.
But this final public appearance by the introverted Mozart-playing cat-lover was a chance to focus on the present and the past. Benedict has not commanded anything lik te popular appeal of his predecessor, John Paul II, but Catholics have responded to an endearing shy humility that has marked him amid his travails. He concluded with Our Father in Latin and a gently voiced blessing.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/bened ... z2M8ImmEpV
If the church wants to self-destruct, Pell would be the way to go...
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Re: Pope To Resign?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:38 pm

The Pope announced that he felt that God was "asleep" during his Papacy. Not quite there, Mr. Pope, but you're getting closer...think hard on it...why do you think God seemed "asleep" to you? What other possibility is there? :-)

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Post by klr » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:40 pm

Can the Almighty even sleep? Does He even need to rest (on the seventh day and all that)? I think these are deep theological questions. :ask:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:42 pm

klr wrote:Can the Almighty even sleep? Does He even need to rest (on the seventh day and all that)? I think these are deep theological questions. :ask:
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Re: Pope To Resign?

Post by Faithfree » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:45 pm

JimC wrote:Our own nasty piece of work, Cardinal George Pell, once a starch ally of the pope, has given him a parting serve...

----SNIP-----

If the church wants to self-destruct, Pell would be the way to go...
He's just bitter and twisted because he has too much taint of covering up abuse to ever get the top job himself.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:54 pm

klr wrote:Can the Almighty even sleep? Does He even need to rest (on the seventh day and all that)? I think these are deep theological questions. :ask:
Well, if the Almighty can do anything, then doesn't the answer to any question about what he can do have to be "yes?"

I once posed it this way to an Orthodox Jewish friend of mine:

Is God all powerful?

Yes.

So, God can do anything?

Yes.

Does that include logically impossible things?

Yes, nothing is impossible for God, even things that we regard as impossible.

Can God make a person have five fingers on one hand and six fingers on the same hand?

Yes. We can't understand the mysteries of God, and we may not be able to understand how such an impossible thing. It's impossible for us, but not God.

So, can God make himself nonexistent? Can he exist and not exist at the same time?

Ummm.... huh.

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Post by klr » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:56 pm

:lol:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:58 pm

Aye, this is basically the "Can God make a square circle?" question.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:24 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Aye, this is basically the "Can God make a square circle?" question.
Yes. And, many religiosos will say "yes, he can" and then they'll rely on the inherent perplexity that is god. We puny humans are just not able to fathom God's ways, but he can do, literally, "anything."

Then hit them with the -- so "God can not exist, right?" An all powerful God would be able to be God, while not existing, yes?

They don't like that one. They won't say he "can't" do it. They'll just sort of short circuit, like NOMAD on that old episode of Star Trek.

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Post by klr » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:27 pm

If God can do anything, then he can surely contradict himself. :eddy:
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Post by Faithfree » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:35 pm

klr wrote:If God can do anything, then he can surely contradict himself. :eddy:
So the bible really is the word of god then? :coffee:
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Post by klr » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:38 pm

"I've done everything the Bible says! Even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff!" - Ned Flanders
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Post by Thinking Aloud » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:41 pm

You know way too much Simpsons.

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Post by klr » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:43 pm

Thinking Aloud wrote:You know way too much Simpsons.
:tut:

Actually, I know very little beyond the first 10 series. As with many things, the early work is the best.

Except for the Bible of course.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:13 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Aye, this is basically the "Can God make a square circle?" question.
Yes. And, many religiosos will say "yes, he can" and then they'll rely on the inherent perplexity that is god. We puny humans are just not able to fathom God's ways, but he can do, literally, "anything."

Then hit them with the -- so "God can not exist, right?" An all powerful God would be able to be God, while not existing, yes?

They don't like that one. They won't say he "can't" do it. They'll just sort of short circuit, like NOMAD on that old episode of Star Trek.
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