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Re: Republicans: continued

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Post by Tero » Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:31 pm

As Wisconsin's GOP-controlled legislature and outgoing Republican Gov. Scott Walker seek to thwart the will of voters by ramming through a sweeping slate of legislationthat would drastically curtail Democratic governor-elect Tony Evers' authority and ability to implement his agenda, progressive advocacy groups announced emergency rallies on Monday to fight back against the GOP's latest "shocking and naked power grab."

"Warning to our friends across the country: what happens in Wisconsin doesn't stay in Wisconsin. The GOP (and Kochs) use the state as a petri dish for terrible hard-right ideas. If this works, it'll spread elsewhere."
—Ben Wikler, MoveOn.org

"This is straight out of a banana republic and should be a huge national story," Mother Jones reporter Ari Berman said of the GOP plan, which would strip Evers' power to approve decisions by the newly elected Democratic state attorney general and hand this authority over to the Republican legislature.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:38 am

The above, and more. :ani:

'Republican Sore Losers Are Stripping the Winners of Their Power'
Conventional wisdom is that all political parties cheat. But in 2018, Republicans are doing a hell of a lot more of it than Democrats.

Stung by losses across the country, the GOP—the self-proclaimed party of traditional values and American patriotism—is resorting to the kinds of chicanery not seen since the days of Tammany Hall. In Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Carolina, Republicans who lost the 2018 elections are now trying to rig future ones, strip the winners of their power, and force them to continue the Republican policies that voters just rejected.

Their nakedly anti-democratic actions—taken while they hope no one is paying attention—are desperate attempts to forestall the demographic reality: that a party now wedded to Trumpist white supremacy cannot survive in a more diverse America.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:45 am

Voter fraud per se is practically nonexistent in the US. However, it seems that election fraud is a thing. Guess what?

'Good Time To Point Out Voter ID Would Not Stop Republican Election Fraud'
I believe that people who push voter identification requirements are cynical racists who believe in voter suppression as the best way to ensure Republican control and prop up the policies of white supremacy.

But… maybe they’re just stupid. I argue with a lot of people who claim that voter ID laws are just a “common sense” solution the “dangerous” problem of voter fraud. That position is demonstrably ignorant, but centrists tell me that people who believe it need not be self-consciously malignant.

Happily, the honest attempt at actual voter fraud by North Carolina Republicans will give us all a chance to test our hypotheses. If I’m right, the racists will ignore this attempt at fraud. If the centrists are right, these pro-voter ID people will actually learn something.

It’s a brilliant test case because the fraud that (allegedly) took place in North Carolina could not have been stopped by strong voter ID laws. In fact, North Carolina has strong voter ID laws, which did nothing to prevent the fraud potentially carried out by or on behalf of Republican candidate Mark Harris.

If you haven’t been following along, the salient details involve: a raft of “unreturned” absentee ballots from two rural counties in North Carolina’s ninth Congressional district, implausible numbers of Republican votes from the absentee ballots that were returned, a Republican operative who is literally a convicted felon, sworn affidavits claiming that people came around to “collect” unsealed absentee ballots, and an election that the Republican “won” by just 905 votes.

If you were going to run a massive voter fraud scheme to steal an election, this is what it would look like. And voter ID laws didn’t and wouldn’t stop any of it.

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:02 pm

Animavore wrote:
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Ocasio's idiocy never ceases to amaze...
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Death panels at Big Insurance did not get to you yet? Just wait. I’ll be on socialist Medicare.
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Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:55 pm

Tero wrote:
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Death panels at Big Insurance did not get to you yet? Just wait. I’ll be on socialist Medicare.
Oh, no. The Affordable Care Act fixed that, and made health care more affordable. No such thing as death panels, remember?

I just drank a glass of Kool Aid, and so now I see very clearly how paying more means things are more affordable. I actually pay less in relation to the total of healthcare expenditures for the nation than I did before, so that means it's more affordable. When we were promised lower premiums, it didn't mean that we were promised that premiums would actually be lower than before. The promise was only that premiums would be lower than a different imagined number.

I'm so glad the ACA was passed, and John McCain was such a brave soul for stepping up to the plate and saving it.
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Post by Cunt » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:13 pm

So Republicans were doing 'vote harvesting', going door-to-door to collect ballots from Republican voters. It could skew the elections.

When did this start being allowed? Going door to door to collect ballots for your team, I mean. It sounds a bit...skeezy...
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:52 pm

Vote for Bernie 2020. All democratic from then on. Medicare death panels for all, same critera for Trumpnor you on life support.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:58 pm

You want to pay more for less, do you?
“When I was in college, I took a terrorism class. ... The thing that was interesting in the class was every time the professor said ‘Al Qaeda’ his shoulders went up, But you know, it is that you don’t say ‘America’ with an intensity, you don’t say ‘England’ with the intensity. You don’t say ‘the army’ with the intensity,” she continued. “... But you say these names [Al Qaeda] because you want that word to carry weight. You want it to be something.” - Ilhan Omar

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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:36 pm

Cunt wrote:
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It seems like something you might consider compromising on. If the worst they are doing to you is seeking a bit of your attention, then it hardly seems necessary or useful to respond to them with nastiness.
It's not the 'attention seekers' I am most bothered by. It is those DEMANDING special treatment and attention.

I use whatever pronoun I think is right at the moment, Ms. Hayden. If you don't like it, and fuck off, that's fine. If, however, you don't like it and take forceful measures (such as creating laws and penalties) then you are earning some nastiness.

Also, if you are going to be respectful of people's pronouns, you must be respectful of mine. They are 'I, me and my'.

That should either be an example of me fucking with you, and deserving of contempt, or an example of me expressing my gender preference, and deserving of respect.

Which is it? And who gets to decide?
Do people really have a preferred gender, like they might prefer beer over wine or denim over polyester?
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:38 pm

Forty Two wrote:
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You want to pay more for less, do you?
Everybody pays. It’s like climate change. Everybody pats. Sooner or later.
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Forty Two » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:55 pm

Tero wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:38 pm
Forty Two wrote:
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You want to pay more for less, do you?
Everybody pays. It’s like climate change. Everybody pats. Sooner or later.
That's how the ACA was sold - "vote for the ACA -- everybody pays, anyway - sooner or later..."
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Re: Republicans: continued

Post by Tero » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:11 pm

The ACA was all Obama or Hillary could pass. No Democrat besides Bernie and maybe 3 more would have voted for Medicare for all. The Insurance industry wrote the ACA. So capitalism was at the table.

Just like Monsanto writes the Farm Bill.
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