The Innsmouth Look game thread.

[irretating]

that post of irre's did make a lot of sense to me. I don't agree on the zigmen idea, he just looks like zigmen so far to me. The thing that has me worried is that I haven't seen irre do a post like that in a while and it used to be a signal of her scum game.

BTW what did you make of r.c.'s comment about your and my interaction being 'interesting?' Apart from last game when I was scum and you were a serial killer - who killed me - I'm not seeing his point.

we have been known to really go after each other before. But so far this game you haven't rang any alarm bells like you did last game. I still remember when the long summaries held out longer in your scum games than your town games so I've been watching too. Also keep in mind that r.c. is from ratskep where we both enjoy rather larger reps than we probably deserve.

My WoT was a function of being asleep, then having the time to read up on the thread at leisure, and deciding to make notes this game. I used to make notes, but haven't for ages and I think my game reflected that.

[oblivion]

OK here's my take on the game thus far, of the things that stand out:

The odds of a scum swooping with the first post, to place a mayor vote on a newish player and a seer recommendation also on a newish player, would be fairly miniscule. Linus' choices did deserve the question, but really not much more IMO. So let's look at what happened. I asked the q and thought the answer was reasonable (it's not how my mind works, but there was a reason behind his choices).

I think he's been a good catalyst - gave players something to talk about.

However, there was one thing he said that raised my eyebrow -- giving a new-ish player an extra half-vote to see what can be learned from how they use it. I think there is some value to seeing what, if anything an experienced player does with that half-vote. A new-ish player whether town or scum, I'm not so sure. Regarding focusing on NKs rather than lynches, IME new players are usually more at risk of lynch than NK. So, while I agree that a view may be good, it's more for mislynch than lynch, and I like it when seers scumhunt with their views.

Crumple does not ask 'why vote me for mayor' when he posts after. He only asks later on after charlou questions it. Bit odd.

agree, however -- new-ish player, may be worried about making some kind of misstep and getting nailed to the wall

Diva dives in with a rubbery FoS on Linus ('is that the best you can do') then drops a mayor vote on b.tern (mutual admiration society? b.tern's vote on diva has no reasoning either). What stands out about diva is that she is clearly around while the wolves nip at Linus, but doesn't follow up. This pings, given her first post is a FoS on him, yet when she later posts it's just to banter back at DP.

Agree.

Mantis' mayor vote on Linus could be a whiteknight, she also answers a question on his behalf.

That's true, but Mantis almost always plays a bit of a devil's advocate.

r.c. seems pretty focused on me. Seems to be trying to stir the pot to get people on the alert that I might 'go after' someone. I've not played enough games with him for him to use such a meta on me IMO.

I thought he was referring to some ratskep games. If not, then I agree that his contributions look a little iffy.

zigmen's line of questioning to Linus gets Linus talking about NK versus odds of early lynch and who will be around at endgame, then tries to twist it and drops a vote on Linus, then later shores up his vote - perhaps he is aware that the interest on Linus is dropping off and he wants to appear consistent. Major FoS on this.

I'm not sure. he's prone to trolley-track, and as I said earlier in the day, I was surprised that my suspicions were raised on the same player that caught Zigmen's and ksen's attention.

athene's reaction that there's not much in the Linus thing is exactly what I thought as I read the thread. Oblivion's vote on athene looks like a fishing expedition more than anything.

Athene really pinged for me at that point. I'm still uneasy. She seems tentative in some ways. I thought it was interesting that she didn't put a vote down on b.t until someone else did.

oblivion's 'standouts' (linus/ksen, and athene whiteknight of linus) seem a bit of a stretch IMO. Mantis did more of a whiteknight than athene. The ksen thing is interesting, because out of linus and ksen, ksen is the one who wriggles uncomfortably under the attention from oblivion. He changes his mayor vote from oblivion to athene, which seems a bit odd.

Why do you think scum-ksen would switch that way?

UT's contribution of just asking oblivion about her reads on athene is not much of an input. He does consider Linus' reasoning to be consistent, so I agree with him on that. Light on start to a busy day 1 from UT.

Agree.

b.tern's early mayor vote on diva, with no reasoning, then a vote dropped on Linus just stinks, because it smacks of 'well when Linus flips town I indicated he wasn't so much scummy as hogging attention on day 1'. Major FoS.

I am having second thoughts. Athene's vote right after mine kinda spooks me.

I'm happy with a lynch of b.tern or zigmen, based on posts so far.

##vote zigmen##

@@vote linus@@

I'm thinking that diva, dp, r.c, and others need some scrutiny.

[Linus]

However, there was one thing he said that raised my eyebrow -- giving a new-ish player an extra half-vote to see what can be learned from how they use it.

As you know, I do this frequently. You must have seen it multiple times before and there is no reason why this should raise your eyebrow now.

##vote oblivion##

[oblivion]

However, there was one thing he said that raised my eyebrow -- giving a new-ish player an extra half-vote to see what can be learned from how they use it.

As you know, I do this frequently. You must have seen it multiple times before and there is no reason why this should raise your eyebrow now.

##vote oblivion##

I don't recall seeing you mayor-vote a n00b in any games I've played with you.

[oblivion]

lol

Interesting what finally got under your skin today, Linus.

[irretating]

However, there was one thing he said that raised my eyebrow -- giving a new-ish player an extra half-vote to see what can be learned from how they use it. I think there is some value to seeing what, if anything an experienced player does with that half-vote. A new-ish player whether town or scum, I'm not so sure. Regarding focusing on NKs rather than lynches, IME new players are usually more at risk of lynch than NK. So, while I agree that a view may be good, it's more for mislynch than lynch, and I like it when seers scumhunt with their views.

Yes, I don't see how it's necessarily a great strategy. I guess my take on it is more the major over-reaction (and a pet peeve of mine is that a player who dares to post early and give a reason for a vote might end up being the prime day 1 BW.... scum must be aware of this and so the players who drop in later just picking off a few questions are much more likely scum IME).

Crumple does not ask 'why vote me for mayor' when he posts after. He only asks later on after charlou questions it. Bit odd.
agree, however -- new-ish player, may be worried about making some kind of misstep and getting nailed to the wall

Yes, I was of two minds in even mentioning it.

r.c. seems pretty focused on me. Seems to be trying to stir the pot to get people on the alert that I might 'go after' someone. I've not played enough games with him for him to use such a meta on me IMO.

I thought he was referring to some ratskep games. If not, then I agree that his contributions look a little iffy.

I haven't played that many games with him (and on ratskept I play differently and invariably I'm NK'd very early) so it does ping a bit. OTOH, he's not that familiar with many people, so it might be an earnest attempt to read my game. He's picked a bad example in this one, though, because he's never seen me play like this.

zigmen's line of questioning to Linus gets Linus talking about NK versus odds of early lynch and who will be around at endgame, then tries to twist it and drops a vote on Linus, then later shores up his vote - perhaps he is aware that the interest on Linus is dropping off and he wants to appear consistent. Major FoS on this.

I'm not sure. he's prone to trolley-track, and as I said earlier in the day, I was surprised that my suspicions were raised on the same player that caught Zigmen's and ksen's attention.

I know zigmen trolley tracks. But it was his questioning that induced the talk of endgame. His most recent post, where he is careful to point out precisely why he is voting linus, just strikes me as shoring up.

athene's reaction that there's not much in the Linus thing is exactly what I thought as I read the thread. Oblivion's vote on athene looks like a fishing expedition more than anything.

Athene really pinged for me at that point. I'm still uneasy. She seems tentative in some ways. I thought it was interesting that she didn't put a vote down on b.t until someone else did.

I don't have enough of a feel of athene's game to read her. I just found that she posted what I was thinking myself (reading the thread later) at that point, so you could have just as easily focused on me if I'd been posting at that time.

oblivion's 'standouts' (linus/ksen, and athene whiteknight of linus) seem a bit of a stretch IMO. Mantis did more of a whiteknight than athene. The ksen thing is interesting, because out of linus and ksen, ksen is the one who wriggles uncomfortably under the attention from oblivion. He changes his mayor vote from oblivion to athene, which seems a bit odd.

Why do you think scum-ksen would switch that way?

I always find ksen a bit scummy, I must admit. But his flipping his mayor vote seems like a way to stop you worrying about being on his wavelength (vote for mayor who you think is scummy). It's not much, but it's a very light-weight way of FoSing you.

b.tern's early mayor vote on diva, with no reasoning, then a vote dropped on Linus just stinks, because it smacks of 'well when Linus flips town I indicated he wasn't so much scummy as hogging attention on day 1'. Major FoS.

I am having second thoughts. Athene's vote right after mine kinda spooks me.

b.tern is newish, right? I kind of like the giving passes to newish players for a bit. Plus didn't s/he have an unfortunate run of being immediately lynched after subbing in to a couple of games?

I'm thinking that diva, dp, r.c, and others need some scrutiny.

I agree with this. DP never posts enough to get much of a read on him.

[oblivion]

b.tern is borealis at TR. The name was already taken when she signed up here.

She has a few games under her belt, but there have been longish periods of not playing interspersed with some games here and there. She does still tend to do stuff that comes off scummy.

##unvote b.ternarius##

I'm going to have a leisurely reread now that I'm not swooping in while my models are running.

I feel like I may be reacting to reactions to my old-time style of play. It's been difficult to not channel damian a few times today.

[Feck]

Oblivion you are making much of you reverting to your old style of play , is this just a cover for your scum game ?

[Linus]

I have to log off but plan to be back before nightfall.

[Don't Panic]

I don't know, linus's plan looks internally consistent at least. Unless people are thinking that he actually thought crumble would likely get elected and then needed to swing that seer away from him. If he is scum that's an awful lot of association right off the bat. I think he's clearly wrong in that scum special hunt before they just make a list of people to kill, but trying not to waste views on people who might be dead early isn't a antitown thought.

It's not, it's a strategy used by people who actually know how to use the seer role.

Worked for me last game.

[Uselesstwit]

any thoughts about this game dp?

[Don't Panic]

Have I voted for DP yet ? ..... ##vote DP##

I was starting to get worried there. Not like you to slip up on my day 1 vote.

[oblivion]

Oblivion you are making much of you reverting to your old style of play , is this just a cover for your scum game ?

*evil grin*

judge my game by results.

[oblivion]

^^ that's me not calling you a retard btw.

[Feck]

^^ that's me not calling you a retard btw.

Good .