Religious dietary rules - discussion.

[Elessarina]

Not only are you not supposed to have meat and dairy on the same plate, you are not allowed to have them in the same meal.

Good grief - that's just barbaric!

Jewcat kanz not haz cheezburgah!

[BlackDog]

In Islam Fish is ok to eat, without halal slaughter, not all types of fish though, I think once with scales are not.

Some say shrimps are ok to eat but crabs or lobsters. Not sure the reasoning of this. Shark and so one are not ok to eat because they are carnivores. Yet in a passage in the Quran you can read all the animals of the sea are ok to eat, that would include sharks, since they eat anything that is already permissible.

Basically it's not even consistent, the rules are arbitrary.

As far as Sunni Islam goes, shellfish are forbidden only by the Hanafi school of Islamic law (fiqh in Arabic). Malikis, Shafi'is and Hanbalis have no issue with seafood of any kind.

Are you an ex-muslim?

If so, do you have an intro post regarding your apostasy process?

[Oeditor]

I'll go with the "keeping ourselves different" argument. The way it came about, it's been suggested, is that the early Jews were nomadic and pigs are not suitable for droving the way sheep and goats are. The settled farmers, on the other hand, could rear pigs easily. It may not apply in full measure to the early Muslim Arabs, but they pinched a lot from Judaism anyway.

[MissingNo.]

Penn Jillette tells a story of ax ex-Orthodox Jewish man trying his first unkosher food. It's only available in the US but if you're in another country, you can watch it through a proxy, which I highly recommend because it's a great story. He also discusses how the bacon cheeseburger should be the official atheist food. I think a lot of the forum members here will appreciate that part.

[Bella Fortuna]

My girlfriend (a former ultra-Orthodox Jew who went through a New Age/Occult phase, and has now settled into an agnostic atheism that provides a nice counterpoint to my agnostic theism. She mentioned to me that Muslims near her old neighborhood would occasionally shop at kosher markets since the dietary laws are so similar, but that Orthodox Jews would never shop at halal markets due to the fact that they didn't consider them strict enough.

I'm reasonably familiar with kosher dietary practices through her.

Not only are you not supposed to have meat and dairy on the same plate, you are not allowed to have them in the same meal. Additionally, any plate that has ever been used for meat cannot be used for dairy, and vice versa. The same goes for cooking equipment.

I used to work for a company owned by orthodox Jews, as there were a couple of them in the office. It was a little strange that they wouldn't shake hands with women, and tried to avoid eye contact with the female employees and things like that, but I got used to it. But when we would have potluck lunches we'd have to make sure that we had a few dishes that the guys could eat - the separate meat/dairy dishes, utencils, etc... it was a pain. They were nice folks but still, I could never help thinking how ridiculous it all was. (not to mention the distinct lack of yummy piggy! )

[MissingNo.]

I used to work for a company owned by orthodox Jews, as there were a couple of them in the office. It was a little strange that they wouldn't shake hands with women, and tried to avoid eye contact with the female employees and things like that, but I got used to it. But when we would have potluck lunches we'd have to make sure that we had a few dishes that the guys could eat - the separate meat/dairy dishes, utencils, etc... it was a pain. They were nice folks but still, I could never help thinking how ridiculous it all was. (not to mention the distinct lack of yummy piggy! )

They won't touch women they don't know because menstruating women are considered unclean and they can't know if you're on your period or not. For many Orthodox Jews, it goes beyond just different plates. They will almost always have different cupboards and often different dishwashers for meat and dairy plates. It's insane!

[BlackDog]

This is a wild guess. There was a goddess and we came from her menstruation adamah means dirt, red dirt. I think way back when women had a certain status.

If you imagine yourself to be a man that has to fight with women and men for power what do you do? Create slaves and subdue women. Make menstruation something nasty to remove all pagan associations to the old goddess and the power of women and menstruation,

Just a wild guess, what does everybody think?

[BlackDog]

My girlfriend (a former ultra-Orthodox Jew who went through a New Age/Occult phase, and has now settled into an agnostic atheism that provides a nice counterpoint to my agnostic theism. She mentioned to me that Muslims near her old neighborhood would occasionally shop at kosher markets since the dietary laws are so similar, but that Orthodox Jews would never shop at halal markets due to the fact that they didn't consider them strict enough.

I'm reasonably familiar with kosher dietary practices through her.

Not only are you not supposed to have meat and dairy on the same plate, you are not allowed to have them in the same meal. Additionally, any plate that has ever been used for meat cannot be used for dairy, and vice versa. The same goes for cooking equipment.

I used to work for a company owned by orthodox Jews, as there were a couple of them in the office. It was a little strange that they wouldn't shake hands with women, and tried to avoid eye contact with the female employees and things like that, but I got used to it. But when we would have potluck lunches we'd have to make sure that we had a few dishes that the guys could eat - the separate meat/dairy dishes, utencils, etc... it was a pain. They were nice folks but still, I could never help thinking how ridiculous it all was. (not to mention the distinct lack of yummy piggy! )

Holy crap not shake hands with women and not stare right in the eyes. That's what its like in Islam. Incredible. I think I need to get know a couple of Orthodox jews just to find out what the hell Mo was thinking when he created our "beautiful" religion, that I have long left because the beauty of it was just too much to handle. I have now become a Mormon, it is certainly less beautiful kidding all religions are bs.