Those sexually predatory 12 year old girls!

[Collector1337]

Idiots. What if she IS a sexually-experienced sexual predator and not a victim. The notion that no under-age girl wants and is willing to coerce sex from an older man is patently ridiculous and constitutes mindless kowtowing to fundamentalists who don't understand psychology or biology.

I don't think it was so much the argument that she pursued the accused sexually which was problematic, more the particular language he used. So even if she was, for example, a cock-hungry little tart, you can't put it in those terms.

Why not? If it's the truth.

[Collector1337]

If the judge and the prosecutor said that about the girl, it's virtually certain to be true. And reading between the lines, it sounds like the guy was autistic, or at a low level of learning, and has been exploited and manipulated by some pretty cynical teens. That's my guess.

This.

If the guy is a vulnerable adult, and she's non-developmentally disabled, then he is the victim and she is doing the exploiting.

Which makes what was said about her absolutely justified and appropriate.

Anyone who automatically thinks that because an individual happens to be a 12-13 year old girl, and by default, makes them the victim, needs to spend more time with 12-13 year old girls.

[HomerJay]

Anyone who automatically thinks that because an individual happens to be a 12-13 year old girl, and by default, makes them the victim, needs to spend more time with 12-13 year old girls.

Whoa, that's how it all started.

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

Yep, and for those of you who don't have the moral strength to resist a come-on from a 12 yo, DIE.

[Strontium Dog]

What if we don't know how old they are? Do we cut them open and count the rings?

[Seth]

Fucktard.

The point is that the girl by virtue of age is legally unable and unqualified to give consent whatever the nature of whatever went on between the two of them. It is therefore the legal responsibility of the adult to act within the law. Its the fucking law..as it were. Jesus.

The law means nothing. What matters is psychology and biology.

12-13 year olds can, and have, committed murder and then tried as an adult because of the heinous nature of their crime.

It's about psychology and individual maturity which is to be determined on a case-by-case basis.

The existence of a sexually experienced 12-13 year old sexual predator, is definitely plausible... especially these days.

The onset of puberty in girls has gone down five years since 1920.

Here's why.

[Seth]

What if we don't know how old they are? Do we cut them open and count the rings?

Always, always, always make them show you ID, then take a cellphone photo of the ID next to the girl's face and email it to yourself before so much as touching her.

Jennifer Jason Leigh in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" did pretty much the same thing that happened here by lying to one of her dates, who asked her age, to get him to pop her cherry. It was amusing at the time, back in the 80's but nowadays the guy would be facing 25 to life. And who thinks that her character wasn't completely ready and competent to decide to lose her virginity?

Who thinks her character was "raped?"

Not me.

I think statutory rape should end when the girl reaches menses. Biologically she's a woman ready to bear children so there is no SCIENTIFIC reason why she shouldn't be having sex with whomever she pleases. Certainly it shouldn't be "rape" if a sexually-mature girl (or boy) either initiates or willingly participates in a sex act.

[Warren Dew]

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

Yep, and for those of you who don't have the moral strength to resist a come-on from a 12 yo, DIE.

How do we know it was moral strength and not physical strength that was the issue?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

Yep, and for those of you who don't have the moral strength to resist a come-on from a 12 yo, DIE.

How do we know it was moral strength and not physical strength that was the issue?

I'm not talking about this case in particular, but in general. Anybody who can't say "no" to a 12 yo needs to eat a gun barrel.

[Seth]

Anyone who automatically thinks that because an individual happens to be a 12-13 year old girl, and by default, makes them the victim, needs to spend more time with 12-13 year old girls.

Whoa, that's how it all started.

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

The Catholics have this one right: "Avoid the near occasion of sin."

[Seth]

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

Yep, and for those of you who don't have the moral strength to resist a come-on from a 12 yo, DIE.

How do we know it was moral strength and not physical strength that was the issue?

I'm not talking about this case in particular, but in general. Anybody who can't say "no" to a 12 yo needs to eat a gun barrel.

Why? If the 12 year old is sexually mature, willing and interested where's the harm? Twelve year old girls do it with 12 to 16 year old boys all the time and most places it's not a crime. What therefore does the age of the male have to do with anything? If anything a young woman will likely enjoy her first sex with an older man much more than with some fumbling, pimply-faced peer. The French have known this for centuries.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This is the kind of scum I'm talking about.

[Seth]

This is the kind of scum I'm talking about.

Go fuck yourself you mindless asshole.

Just because I challenge your perceptions and biases doesn't mean I subscribe to molesting children. It's a question, that's all.

You can't answer the fucking question, can you? You never can. All you do is sling insults as if it's obvious that you're correct about everything.

This is a valid philosophical discussion about sexual politics and law and I'd like you to JUSTIFY, using reasoned argument, why statutory rape laws should exist for boys and girls who are actual sexually mature men and women. Evidently you cannot justify such laws because you are only capable of resorting to insults and ad hom.

Which makes you an ignoramus.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Afraid you wouldn't be able to control your kiddy-fiddling urges, Mr. Saville?

[Collector1337]

I strongly recommend men don't hang about with these hussies or next thing you know you're fucking like crazy and the Old Bill are on your back.

Yep, and for those of you who don't have the moral strength to resist a come-on from a 12 yo, DIE.

And what if the guy is Autistic or has some other developmental problem?