Stop cultural 'pick-and-mix', warns minister

[Tyrannical]

It requires almost a totalitarian government to force people to unwillingly change their culture.
Islam spread because often the choice they offered was convertion or death. Are we willing to go to that extreme to make them change? I think not.

[Coito ergo sum]

It requires almost a totalitarian government to force people to unwillingly change their culture.
Islam spread because often the choice they offered was convertion or death. Are we willing to go to that extreme to make them change? I think not.

All that needs to happen is the law needs to be enforced, hard. The problem isn't that things aren't illegal -- the problem is that exceptions are being made for religious people's abuses.

[Audley Strange]

Sounds like steps need to be taken to make them less insular.

Not at all, all that needs to be done is to treat them as criminals and organised rather than pussyfoot about with any idea that we should be inclusive of such repugnant nutjobs. We should not be pandering to people educated only with superstition. The majority of people in these communities manage not to be fuckwits, so we should not be frightened of "offending" their traditions when we throw their savage arses in jail for barbarity.

[Gerald McGrew]

Not at all, all that needs to be done is to treat them as criminals

Which is what I said the first time, and you responded by pointing out that their insular nature makes that difficult. So make those societies/neighborhoods less insular (i.e. have more of a police/gov't presence in them) and bust whatever criminal activity occurs.

[Audley Strange]

Not at all, all that needs to be done is to treat them as criminals

Which is what I said the first time, and you responded by pointing out that their insular nature makes that difficult. So make those societies/neighborhoods less insular (i.e. have more of a police/gov't presence in them) and bust whatever criminal activity occurs.

Ah no, I meant the criminals tend to be insular, not the entire immigrant communities. It's not like the organised crime syndicates which have negotiation status. These tend to be more like cultists or extreme religious zealots. There's all sorts of dangerous fringe groups who's practices we know little or nothing about until child bones turn up in a refuse bin outside a semi-detached. I'm sure there must be a few Gun-toting Endtimer cults around your parts, who knows which one's gonna shoot it out with the ATF or be mass arrested for kid fucking?

It's sort of like that. No one even knows who's doing what most of the time until after something horrific happens.

[Gerald McGrew]

Ah, I see. I was picturing immigrant neighborhoods where the police seldom go and when they do venture in, no one dares speak to them.

[Pappa]

A Home Office minister is to warn people who set up forced marriages

Are those illegal in the UK? If not, either pass a law or learn to live with it.

and commit so-called "honour crimes"

If they are crimes, then prosecute them.

Jeremy Browne will also say that the genital mutilation of girls as young as five is "barbaric" and should be regarded as "child abuse".

Same thing. If it's not illegal, then make it so.

I was thinking the same thing. All those things are already illegal.

[Svartalf]

It requires almost a totalitarian government to force people to unwillingly change their culture.
Islam spread because often the choice they offered was convertion or death. Are we willing to go to that extreme to make them change? I think not.

Well, we should... conform or die of cold and hunger

[Tyrannical]

It requires almost a totalitarian government to force people to unwillingly change their culture.
Islam spread because often the choice they offered was convention or death. Are we willing to go to that extreme to make them change? I think not.

All that needs to happen is the law needs to be enforced, hard. The problem isn't that things aren't illegal -- the problem is that exceptions are being made for religious people's abuses.

We probably don't have enough jails.
A few weeks ago a young Muslim man (18 or 19) got community service for having sex with a 13 yo girls because his British Madrasa taught him girls should be treated as lolipops and he didn't know better.
What option do you have? Shut down the school, but what about the staff and all the parents that sent children there? Are we prepared to arrest all the staff and parents, and send all of their children to foster homes?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It requires almost a totalitarian government to force people to unwillingly change their culture.
Islam spread because often the choice they offered was convertion or death. Are we willing to go to that extreme to make them change? I think not.

Most of the Islamic states did not require conversion. They did levy a tax on people who wished to live in their country without becoming a True Believer.

[Svartalf]

Taxes high enough to elicit mass conversions

[Tyrannical]

It requires almost a totalitarian government to force people to unwillingly change their culture.
Islam spread because often the choice they offered was convertion or death. Are we willing to go to that extreme to make them change? I think not.

Most of the Islamic states did not require conversion. They did levy a tax on people who wished to live in their country without becoming a True Believer.

Non-Muslims were also fair game for the slave trade, which is how and why it spread to Black Africa.