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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by FBM » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:47 am

Please correct this for stoopid people like me:

England = England.
The U.K. = England + Northern Ireland + Wales + Scotland.
Great Britain = England + all of the above + any other place that they've conquered?

OK, I know this is all wrong and fucked up, but if someone would be so kind as to straighten out those 3 definitions in that simple format, I'd be ever so grateful.
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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Jesus_of_Nazareth » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:49 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:How many of those US troops are occupation forces? How many countries have heads of state directly appointed by our Queen President. How many of them have stars on the US flags?

Basing troops in a country is not the same as making that country a part of your empire. Otherwise we could claim Oz, Canada, and England in our empire.
Vassel States do count as part of an empire.
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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by MiM » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:50 am

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That map seems a bit skewed to me. For one, I don't recognize the presence of any US troops in Finland. Yes, a few military observers and security personnel at the embassy, an occasional visit by a US warship, probably technology experts on materiel we have bought from the US et.c. But that doesn't constitute a "precense of US troops" to me :ask:

Edit: So. like Svarty said, the Marines in the embassy seems to be counted
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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Svartalf » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:52 am

There aren't any US bases in France either... We occasionally let the USAF use Istres, but they haven't been there in years.
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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Red Celt » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:53 am

What is worth mentioning here is the name of the rest of the U.K. in the event of an independent Scotland (if that happens).

The immediate response might be: The United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Except, that wouldn't be true. The "united kingdoms" were those of England and Scotland. Wales and Northern Ireland weren't kingdoms; well, they had kingdoms in the very long and distant pass, but they certainly weren't kingdoms when the U.K. was formed.

If we remove the idea of kingdoms (ditching the term U.K.) it also couldn't be called Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as Scotland is part of Great Britain.

So what does that leave? The Union of England, Wales and Northern Ireland? That's going to look messy on their passports. Car nationality stickers will be interesting, too; no more "G.B.".

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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:53 am

Svartalf wrote:BTW, does that map include only actual military presence, or does it count the squad of Marines in every embassy as "military presence"?
It includes radar stations on godforsaken hunks of ground the locals couldn't even find useful, like in Oz. It's an effort to exaggerate a situation into a condition.

The only times I saw US troops patrolling the streets of the towns outside US bases was when there was a natural disaster of some kind and the local government asked for help. Our influence drops off logarithmically by distance from the base. But people come to the bases looking for work, and we pay very good wages compared to many places.

Go ahead and claim we're a shadow government in those places, but include OZ, Canada and the UK on the list and admit we rule you if you do that.
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Post by Pappa » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:56 am

There's a few errors in the above... but fairly minor.
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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Red Celt » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:58 am

FBM wrote:Please correct this for stoopid people like me:

England = England.
The U.K. = England + Northern Ireland + Wales + Scotland.
Great Britain = England + all of the above + any other place that they've conquered?

OK, I know this is all wrong and fucked up, but if someone would be so kind as to straighten out those 3 definitions in that simple format, I'd be ever so grateful.
Nearly right, until you got to Great Britain.

Geographically, Great Britain is the greatest (largest) of the British Isles. Politically, that is expanded to include the islands of England, Scotland and Wales. So, Great Britain = England, Scotland and Wales. Great Britain doesn't include Northern Ireland, technically. Sometimes, however, Northern Ireland is included in the shorthand, when someone is using G.B. and U.K interchangeably for the same thing... although it isn't correct.

U.K. includes Northern Ireland.
G.B. excludes Northern Ireland.

Any clearer? :)
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Post by Svartalf » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:58 am

AFAIAC, counting Devon and Cornwall in England is abusive, culturally if not politically speaking.
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Post by Jesus_of_Nazareth » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:59 am

The British Union (it's the only union in the British Isles - so does not have to include every part of the British Isles).

Obviously Oswald Mosely did kinda taint that name.........


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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by HomerJay » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:07 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:How many of those US troops are occupation forces?
All of them.

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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by tattuchu » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:08 pm

Scotland does seem to be having a gay old time. He's really laughing it up. Maybe he's enjoying the festive hat he's wearing?

Anyway, I'm already clear on England vs U.K., but am vague on Great Britain. So Great Britain is England, Sctotland and Wales, but not Northern Ireland? Is that it? Yes, I know it's already been addressed, but it's not necessary for me to read all the posts. The important thing is that I showed up :tea:

Also, the bit about our military presence around the world, I find deeply disturbing. Are there any other nations which have military bases in other countries, or is this currently a uniquely American* thing?

*And when I say American, I of course am referring to the United States, as no other countries in North America are worth noting. Or you could say Canada is The Northern U.S., in essence, and Mexico for all intents and purposes is The Southern U.S. :coffee:
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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:08 pm

HomerJay wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:How many of those US troops are occupation forces?
All of them.

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Re: U.K. is not a synonym of England

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:10 pm

tattuchu wrote:*And when I say American, I of course am referring to the United States, as no other countries in North America are worth noting. Or you could say Canada is The Northern U.S., in essence, and Mexico for all intents and purposes is The Southern U.S. :coffee:
I used to be bothered by the term "American" being applied solely to the peoples of the US. But on digging I found the usage is at least two hundred years old, so I don't sweat it any more.
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