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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by klr » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:11 am

Seraph wrote: ...
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Seraph wrote:As long as my computer does what I want it to do, I don't give a flying fuck about what other CPUs are or are not capable off. One day, of course, it may no longer be up to the job. Then I'll upgrade, probably to an Intel 80386 based mobo with 4MB of RAM.
Whoa! Whoa! That's real bleeding edge stuff there ...

... for 1987. :lol:
Pretty much so. I bought the 286 in 1989, and upgraded it to a 386 fairly soon after that (for free. Long story.) The 286 ran like molasses when Windows 3 came out. I also found that I needed to acquire a mouse around that time. And a 3.5" FDD. And Lotus Smartsuite for Windows. And... Every new thing was so smooth and shiny then. Now the computer is just a very, very useful tool for so many things.
... including running Windows 3.11 in a DOSBox virtual machine, with far more "resources" than it ever had on early 1990's hardware. And the rest of the system hardly seems to notice. :{D
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Post by amused » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:38 am

Adobe's video editing and motion graphics programs have gone 64 bit only, so I'm waiting for that space to settle down a bit before upgrading. Meanwhile I clunk along using a BOXX box that I paid way too much for that runs dual Xeons and a raging 2MB of RAM, with SCSI drives!

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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:48 am

Not following this kind of thing closely I have to ask if having a bulldozer in with delicate electronics is really a good idea?
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Post by Hermit » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:00 pm

klr wrote:
Seraph wrote:Now the computer is just a very, very useful tool for so many things.
... including running Windows 3.11 in a DOSBox virtual machine, with far more "resources" than it ever had on early 1990's hardware. And the rest of the system hardly seems to notice. :{D
Indeed, though that is not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking of the consequences of computers and the internet having gone mainstream. Communicating with friends and relatives no matter whereabouts on this planet they live. Bookkeeping. The wealth of information available through search engines. Recording films. Sending and receiving photos. Participating as a member of communities that consist of individuals most of whom have never met each other in person, yet interact as if they are talking face to face. Chat. Skype. ...
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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by klr » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:04 pm

Seraph wrote:
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Seraph wrote:Now the computer is just a very, very useful tool for so many things.
... including running Windows 3.11 in a DOSBox virtual machine, with far more "resources" than it ever had on early 1990's hardware. And the rest of the system hardly seems to notice. :{D
Indeed, though that is not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking of the consequences of computers and the internet having gone mainstream. Communicating with friends and relatives no matter whereabouts on this planet they live. Bookkeeping. The wealth of information available through search engines. Recording films. Sending and receiving photos. Participating as a member of communities that consist of individuals most of whom have never met each other in person, yet interact as if they are talking face to face. Chat. Skype. ...
Re the new Amazon Kindle Fire: Someone asked me the other evening if it was "like a computer", or words that effect. My response was, well, yes it is, because almost everything is a computer nowadays.
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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:05 pm

Seraph wrote:
klr wrote:
Seraph wrote:Now the computer is just a very, very useful tool for so many things.
... including running Windows 3.11 in a DOSBox virtual machine, with far more "resources" than it ever had on early 1990's hardware. And the rest of the system hardly seems to notice. :{D
Indeed, though that is not quite what I had in mind. I was thinking of the consequences of computers and the internet having gone mainstream. Communicating with friends and relatives no matter whereabouts on this planet they live. Bookkeeping. The wealth of information available through search engines. Recording films. Sending and receiving photos. Participating as a member of communities that consist of individuals most of whom have never met each other in person, yet interact as if they are talking face to face. Chat. Skype. ...
The computer is the most important communications invention since the radio. And I include TV in the also-rans as it's one-way for the most part. Talking to Alan C, Dev, and the other Underworld characters simply floors me. I had pen pals in about two dozen countries when I was in the Navy, I tried to get and give addresses when I met someone interesting wherever I went. I'd send off a letter and wait a few weeks before anticipating a reply. Now I have my screen on a two minute refresh cycle to see if I have a response yet.
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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Transgirlofnofaith » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:48 pm

Seraph wrote:Been there, done that. Let me tell you this: the exhilaration you get from owning a state of the art box for which you have paid a premium will have well and truly evaporated in a matter of a few months, or even weeks. I once spent $4000 on a 90MHz Pentium with 16 MB of RAM and a cavernous 540MB HDD, when everybody else thought 486s were the bees' knees. An acquaintance of mine said I was mad to buy something as overspecced as that. My excuse was that I got a good deal. My fire breathing monster was typically advertised for about $7500 at that time. Not very long after he told me that he just bought a Pentium II with 64MBs of RAM and a 940MB HDD. Nowadays I am happy with less cutting edge gear. My current computer replaces one that gave up the ghost after seven years. It's powered by some AMD CPU, the specs of which I can't even recall now, has 4 gigs of RAM, 1TB HDD and all the usual gubbins. Cost? $890. It does everything I want it to do quite nicely, thank you.
Yes, but I bet you don't want to do excessive crap like triple-monitor gaming on newest releases :funny:

Except for encoding/rendering programs, and games, there isn't all that much you can put top-end hardware to use for. It's just degrees of overkill. Why do I /NEED/ a top-end build? Why does someone else need a drag-racing modified muscle car? Why does someone else need a boat? People like nice crap even when it's not quite needed. In this case though (no pun Intelded) it's something I'll be using all the time and making good use out of, and as long as you pick your parts carefully, that degree of overkill you're buying can keep it suitably usable for another year or two for extremely demanding tasks. I can guarantee you that 7/10 people don't know enough about computers or use them enough to justify spending more than a grand tops on a machine, and another one out of ten knows computers but had medium needs. Then the other two are either professionals who need the power or obsessive fuckers who want the very best. So far in the year I've been piecing this together on and off, I think I've spent about $700, only maybe a third of which parts will end up being permanent. My mistakes? I settled for mid-range parts instead of going for what I should have. Also, I didn't know the market as well as I do now. I'm also far better at managing my money now. It's just a matter of making more of it, LOL.

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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Jason » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:27 pm

AMD formed a steaming turd into a CPU again? They never cease to amaze. :smug:

Meanwhile my i7 does very nicely for gaming and renders. :whistle:

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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Transgirlofnofaith » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:10 am

PordFrefect wrote:AMD formed a steaming turd into a CPU again? They never cease to amaze. :smug:

Meanwhile my i7 does very nicely for gaming and renders. :whistle:
Which i7? 2600k? 920? 980? :what:

Also, what are your specs?
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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Jason » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:03 am

960 OC to 3.8ghz with liquid cooling
580gtx Nvidia vid card
6GB 1600mhz DDR3 mem
150 velociraptor main hdd (a SSD with the same speeds was twice the price :P)

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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Transgirlofnofaith » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:18 am

PordFrefect wrote:960 OC to 3.8ghz with liquid cooling
580gtx Nvidia vid card
6GB 1600mhz DDR3 mem
150 velociraptor main hdd (a SSD with the same speeds was twice the price :P)
Pretty good.

What motherboard, case, and heatsink? Also, why just 6gb of 1600? And what brand/line?
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Re: Bulldozer Epic Fail

Post by Feck » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:33 am

I have an old AMD triple-core does this mean I'm Odd.
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Post by Transgirlofnofaith » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:02 am

Feck wrote:I have an old AMD triple-core does this mean I'm Odd.
No, as long as it serves your needs, a system is just fine. Obsessively seeking e-peen is another thing entirely. :hilarious:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:11 pm

quick question, will adding 8 Gig of ram improve performance enough to justify the cost?
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Post by klr » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:38 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:quick question, will adding 8 Gig of ram improve performance enough to justify the cost?
Adding to what, for what?
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