U.S. passes "historic" healthcare bill

[Wumbologist]

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

They're partial to the "faith-based" style of health care reform, which goes something like this:

Get sick? Not insured? Start praying.

[Clinton Huxley]

I'm curious about these numbers (15% of gross income etc). They sound a tad high. How is that worked out?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

They're partial to the "faith-based" style of health care reform, which goes something like this:

Get sick? Not insured? Start praying.

That's the Repugnican solution for everything. "Pray it doesn't happen to you."

[Theophilus]

I'm curious about these numbers (15% of gross income etc). They sound a tad high. How is that worked out?

In the UK health spend on the NHS is ~8% of gross national income (up from ~4% in 2000). Obviously that is not spread evenly across everyone and a large percentage is taxed to the employer rather than being directly payed by the employee (though it pretty much amounts to the same in the end, you just feel better about it when it's not printed on your wage slip).

[maiforpeace]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

With all it's flaws, the bill is a step in the right direction.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

With all it's flaws, the bill is a step in the right direction.

The Repugnicans' owners aren't happy about it, but they get wobbly every time a cash cow is threatened.

[Coito ergo sum]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

Look - the $43,000 and over number is straight from the bill. It's not wild speculation. It's not anything from the Republicans. It's 400% of the poverty level. Nobody gets government assistance who makes over 400% of the poverty level.

That would seem to be something very basic about this bill that anyone who says they "support" it would be familiar with. Criminy....

[Coito ergo sum]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

With all it's flaws, the bill is a step in the right direction.

What flaws?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

Look - the $43,000 and over number is straight from the bill. It's not wild speculation. It's not anything from the Republicans. It's 400% of the poverty level. Nobody gets government assistance who makes over 400% of the poverty level.

That would seem to be something very basic about this bill that anyone who says they "support" it would be familiar with. Criminy....

Did I say that specific number came from thin air? Please read my posts, then comment on them, not the other way around.

[FBM]

If you make USD35k~43k/yr, you're not going to the soup line over this. This bill will help a lot of people, including millions of children whose only sin is being born into a poor family. Is a little compassion for the poor out of the question? Or is your third car and country-club membership more important? Really. Boy, it sucks to be you, with such a hefty income. I was born into a dirt-poor family and as an adult had to file for bankruptcy because of medical bills, all because health care wasn't affordable to me at the time. Not only that, now I have a pre-existing condition that means, no matter what, I couldn't get health insurance at any price under the old plan. Here in Korea, health care is guaranteed. It's co-pay, but guaranteed. None of this pre-existing conditions bullshit that just helps the health insurance companies sweeten their deal and widen their profit margins while sick people have no choice but to sit at home without much-needed medical care.

OK, so this new plan isn't perfect. What's the news? When have humans, much less a government, ever produced a perfect system? Do something, even if it's wrong, then tweak it until it's fine tuned and runs well. Sitting around waiting for the perfect system is a recipe for prolonging the disaster that was the previous system.

[Coito ergo sum]

I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass.

And I'm still waiting for them to come up with something better.

Look - the $43,000 and over number is straight from the bill. It's not wild speculation. It's not anything from the Republicans. It's 400% of the poverty level. Nobody gets government assistance who makes over 400% of the poverty level.

That would seem to be something very basic about this bill that anyone who says they "support" it would be familiar with. Criminy....

Did I say that specific number came from thin air? Please read my posts, then comment on them, not the other way around.

Err...ummm... you said, "I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass."

Sue me for not guessing correctly which numbers you thought were lies and which weren't....

[macdoc]

'll give it a chance to work. We can see what isn't working and fix those parts.

what ISN'T working for the US populace is your fucked up elite medical, legal and insurance pirates all community
nail the lot....

until you deal with those rip off artists - you have no solutions to many of your national problems....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Err...ummm... you said, "I've seen endless wild speculation about this bill. Most of it comes from thin air as far as I can tell. Not accusing the Repugnicans of lying, you understand, I just thinking they're lying out their ass."

Sue me for not guessing correctly which numbers you thought were lies and which weren't....

I don't sue.

[Coito ergo sum]

If you make USD35k~43k/yr, you're not going to the soup line over this.

Never said it would...but, you will be forced to spend a lot more money on health insurance than you do now, which is the opposite of one of the things that Obama said he was trying to do here.

This bill will help a lot of people, including millions of children whose only sin is being born into a poor family.

Bull - fucking - shit. Children are already fucking covered 100% without any issue -- Medicaid - SCHIP - etc. The current health care bill (soon to be law) has nothing whatsoever to do with "saving the chill-run."

Is a little compassion for the poor out of the question?

No. However, Obama said health insurance would be more affordable. It ain't going to be. It's going to be more expensive. Obama said it would not be signed into law if it would raise the deficit. It will raise the deficit.

Compassion for the poor my ass. The poor in the US get Medicaid for free. The disabled can get Medicare and social security benefits. Children are covered by Medicaid and SCHIP.

Or is your third car and country-club membership more important?

Giant red herring, that. How about, a single guy making $44,000 being able to buy insurance for $2400 a year (no problem) now, and instead being asked to shell out $5300 (average per CBO estimate) once the law takes effect, plus shell out an additional $2300 in "cost sharing?" I guess that guy has to give up his country club, cars and boats, right?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

'll give it a chance to work. We can see what isn't working and fix those parts.

what ISN'T working for the US populace is your fucked up elite medical, legal and insurance pirates all community
nail the lot....

until you deal with those rip off artists - you have no solutions to many of your national problems....

You have a suggestion for stopping people from ripping other people off?