Zplains the hat.Thumpalumpacus wrote:Heh, it wouldn't be the first time I've missed a subtlety.Gawdzilla wrote:I think he was joking. You are right that the Germans didn't like the imposed political system much. But the fact that von Hindenburg was Prezzy for so many years says it all, I think. The Germans approved of him and his monarchist attitudes. He was contemptuous of the democracy that put him in power.
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
Reminder... most armies since the Renaissance have put huge emphasis on drill and discipline. Traditionally, the basic trooper was an uneducated clodhopper, and the officers were from the aristocratic classes, and the attitude always has been "obey your betters and don't talk back"Seabass wrote:How is military service any more about "mindless obedience" than any other job in which you fill a subordinate role and have to answer to higher ranking employees/employer?Traveler wrote:I never even considered entering the military because I knew that mindless obedience was something I couldn't manage to accomplish. I'm a "question authority" kind of person. I also felt that boot camp was too much like hazing. A practice that I consider beyond cruel. Fortunately for me, women couldn't be drafted.
and indenture still is a loss of liberties, if one with limits... history also has shown us many examples of indentures artificially extended to produce the equivalent of slavery.macdoc wrote:slaves are owned the state does not own the soldier as property
soldiers maybe indentured or conscripted - not slaves tho in the normal term as I understand it.
Why, you --Gawdzilla wrote:Zplains the hat.
With the advent of the industrialization of war, this has been much less the case. In the American military where class distinctions aren't nearly so much a feature of military life, such an officer wouldn't last a month or more before being called to the carpet by his superiors for incompetence. The reason why? They, as much as anyone else, understand that and military service branch is only as good as its non-commissioned officers. A lieutenant who does not listen to his sergeants won't last, because the NCOs will kill his career before they let him kill their men.Svartalf wrote:Reminder... most armies since the Renaissance have put huge emphasis on drill and discipline. Traditionally, the basic trooper was an uneducated clodhopper, and the officers were from the aristocratic classes, and the attitude always has been "obey your betters and don't talk back"
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
Indeed.Gawdzilla wrote:The veterans here are quietly chortling as they read the civilians make wildass assumptions about the military in the 21st.
Marine = Muscles are required, intelligence not essential.Svartalf wrote:When you see the material that applies for enlisted ranks in the army and marines, you sure have trouble believing that this is a thinking man's military
The ones that don't make the cut in the US military are shipped to the Legion E'Strange.Svartalf wrote:When you see the material that applies for enlisted ranks in the army and marines, you sure have trouble believing that this is a thinking man's military
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
Wish I had the math ability to do that...Ian wrote:Marine = Muscles are required, intelligence not essential.Svartalf wrote:When you see the material that applies for enlisted ranks in the army and marines, you sure have trouble believing that this is a thinking man's military
And old Navy joke.
But I have known some very, very bright enlisted guys. My cousin is enlisted - as a cryptographer.
Where they are quickly spat out by the hardened and quick thinking ex cons or might have been cons...Gawdzilla wrote:The ones that don't make the cut in the US military are shipped to the Legion E'Strange.Svartalf wrote:When you see the material that applies for enlisted ranks in the army and marines, you sure have trouble believing that this is a thinking man's military
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”
No shit.Gawdzilla wrote:The veterans here are quietly chortling as they read the civilians make wildass assumptions about the military in the 21st.
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