Woman Shoots/kills knife-wielding intruder.

[Gallstones]

Just an aside on gun tourism in the US

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/inde ... 04831.html

Novus Collectus
September 24, 2007, 08:40 PM
Now I'm not a citizen of USA of course and I don't want to look stupid or break the law by going down there and trying to do something thats unlawful. But is it lawful for me to rent a firearm at a range or a store? Short answer, no!
There is an exception for non-immigrant aliens though I'll mention later.

Can I even buy a gun and then surrender it later before I return home?No....but interestingly enough you can buy one here and have it sent to you in Canada if it is ok with Canada.

Would being a non-citizen and clearly a non-resident exclude me from purchasing a gun? Yes.....unless you never took possession of it and had it sent to you in Canada.


You can rent a firearm in the US if you have a valid hunting license issued in any state:
(R1) May nonimmigrant aliens legally in the United States purchase or possess firearms and ammunition while in the United States?

Nonimmigrant aliens generally are prohibited from possessing or receiving (purchasing) firearms and ammunition in the United States.

There are exceptions to this general prohibition. The exceptions are as follows:
nonimmigrant aliens who possess a valid (unexpired) hunting license or permit lawfully issued by a State in the United States;



nonimmigrant aliens entering the United States to participate in a competitive target shooting event or to display firearms at a sports or hunting trade show sponsored by a national, State, or local firearms trade organization devoted to the collection, competitive use or other sporting use of firearms;

certain diplomats, if the firearms are for official duties;

officials of foreign governments, if the firearms are for official duties, or distinguished foreign visitors so designated by the U.S. State Department;

foreign law enforcement officers of friendly foreign governments entering the United States on official law enforcement business; and

persons who have received a waiver from the prohibition from the U.S. Attorney General.
Significantly, even if a nonimmigrant alien falls within one of these exceptions, the nonimmigrant alien CANNOT purchase a firearm from a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) unless he or she (1) has an alien number or admission number from the Department of Homeland Security (formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service) AND (2) can provide the FFL with documentation showing that he or she has resided in a State within the United States for 90 consecutive days immediately prior to the firearms transaction.

[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(b) and 922(y), 27 CFR 478.124, ATF Rul. 2004-1]


(R33) I'm a nonimmigrant alien who is coming to the United States for two weeks to go hunting. Can I rent a firearm in the United States to use on this trip? What if I want to go to a shooting range one day - can I rent a firearm there as well?

As long as you possess a valid hunting license from a State within the United States, you may rent firearms to hunt and to use at a shooting range. If you do not have the hunting license, your possession of the firearms and ammunition will be unlawful. The hunting license does NOT have to be from the State where you will be possessing the guns and ammunition.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5) and (9), 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)]





If you want to buy a gun in the US and have it sent to you in Canada you can if ok with Canada:



(R10) I am a nonimmigrant alien. I'm coming to the United States for 2 weeks. I do not have a hunting license or any alien or admission number. Can I buy a firearm from a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) to take back to my home country?

You may not buy a firearm and take possession of it in the United States. However, the FFL may directly export the firearm to your home country. If the FFL directly exports it, you do not need a hunting license, alien number or admission number, or 90 days of State residency. However, the FFL first must obtain an export license from the Department of State or, if the firearm is a sporting shotgun, from the Department of Commerce.

[Hermit]

hoplophobes

Thanks for introducing me to this word, which is wankery of the highest order, suggesting that fear of deadly firearms is somehow fucking irrational. Brilliant.

You're welcome. Actually, the term was coined by the late Col. Jeff Cooper, one of America's most prominent advocates of armed self-defense and firearms training, and it means "those who have a paranoid phobic fear of an armed citizenry." And the fear of deadly firearms is fucking irrationality of the highest order, given the fact that they are inanimate objects that cannot harm anyone without being operated by a human being.

Now, a fear of human beings with the propensity to criminally attack others with deadly firearms is a rational fear, and the prudent solution to that threat is to carry a firearm for self defense, since at the moment that you are attacked, there will be no one else around to do it for you, and you really need to have equal or preferably superior firepower and skills to defend yourself or your children effectively, as the young woman in the OP very effectively demonstrates.

I'm getting flashbacks of watching Showdown at the OK Corral. Is it really true that US society has not advanced since the 1880s?

Yes. It is called "The tourist Industry"

It's Seth's post that caused the flashback.

[Seth]

Its perfectly reasonable to be extremely uncomfortable around any guns including those holstered by the police. The fact that someone can draw a gun and shoot you dead in the blink of an eye is for most people one of the few times someone will be that close to death. Sticking your head out of a window and looking down 10 stories is also a completely sensible reason to be afraid and something people will generally avoid if they can.

Its probably a little more unusual if someone started feeling like that if they were looking at a gun in musuem that was locked up, highly likely not to be functional and presumably unloaded

If you go to a British airport and I assume most others while you won't have people running screaming from armed police you generally find most people give them a very wide birth. Even in a crowded airport where they is a shortage of space to even sit down on the floor you will often see a 10 metre exclusion radius around anyone with a gun

Like ten meters is going to do them any good. What a bunch of fucking pussies.

[Seth]

I disagree. Being "around" guns is not inherently dangerous, just like being "extremely uncomfortable" around knives or baseball bats would be a tad unreasonable.

Have to disagree with that, I generally try to minimise the time I spend around sharp knives. I certainly do use them but the second the need for it is over I generally do put them away and out of sight if possible. I also will never go within stabbing (or slipping distance) of someone who has such a knife either. Thats just common sense to me, you minimise your exposure to something that has no use and is potentially fatal ( A meat cleaver with no meat around has no use).

I would also never go within swinging distance of a baseball/cricket bat either if someone is holding one, beyond that distance they are harmless

You need psychiatric help. No, really, you do. Your life must be hell living with all those irrational, paranoid fears. I really do pity you.

[kiki5711]

what I'm wondering is why did this guy keep on trying to get in for "20" minutes? That's kind of a long time, especially she must have said it out loud, if you come in, I'll shoot you, and they kept on trying?

It doesn't look like she had much to steal in that trailer? Were they out to rape her or kill her in a state of 'drug induced" delusion? or something else? I mean it's a small town, everyone knows everyone.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

what I'm wondering is why did this guy keep on trying to get in for "20" minutes? That's kind of a long time, especially she must have said it out loud, if you come in, I'll shoot you, and they kept on trying?

It doesn't look like she had much to steal in that trailer? Were they out to rape her or kill her in a state of 'drug induced" delusion? or something else? I mean it's a small town, everyone knows everyone.

I'd go with the rape/kill thing. Probably alcohol/drug fueled. The fact that there were only three cars to cover that county may have given them some sense of security as well.

[MrJonno]

I disagree. Being "around" guns is not inherently dangerous, just like being "extremely uncomfortable" around knives or baseball bats would be a tad unreasonable.

Have to disagree with that, I generally try to minimise the time I spend around sharp knives. I certainly do use them but the second the need for it is over I generally do put them away and out of sight if possible. I also will never go within stabbing (or slipping distance) of someone who has such a knife either. Thats just common sense to me, you minimise your exposure to something that has no use and is potentially fatal ( A meat cleaver with no meat around has no use).

I would also never go within swinging distance of a baseball/cricket bat either if someone is holding one, beyond that distance they are harmless

You need psychiatric help. No, really, you do. Your life must be hell living with all those irrational, paranoid fears. I really do pity you.

Feel the same about you the difference is I'm highly unlikely to shoot up my local school/post office or hospital

[Seth]

I disagree. Being "around" guns is not inherently dangerous, just like being "extremely uncomfortable" around knives or baseball bats would be a tad unreasonable.

Have to disagree with that, I generally try to minimise the time I spend around sharp knives. I certainly do use them but the second the need for it is over I generally do put them away and out of sight if possible. I also will never go within stabbing (or slipping distance) of someone who has such a knife either. Thats just common sense to me, you minimise your exposure to something that has no use and is potentially fatal ( A meat cleaver with no meat around has no use).

I would also never go within swinging distance of a baseball/cricket bat either if someone is holding one, beyond that distance they are harmless

You need psychiatric help. No, really, you do. Your life must be hell living with all those irrational, paranoid fears. I really do pity you.

Feel the same about you the difference is I'm highly unlikely to shoot up my local school/post office or hospital

Given the fact that those who are prone to severe psychiatric disturbance like the kind of paranoia you demonstrate, it's actually much, much more likely that you will succumb to paranoia and delusion, obtain weapons (including things like jars of gasoline mixed with Tide laundry detergent and a match or just a butcher knife, but potentially going as far as firearms if your delusions become severe enough) and go on an insane murderous rampage as a direct result of mental illness.

I, on the other hand, have been carrying a handgun on my person every single day for more than 25 years and haven't shot anybody yet.

So, between you and I, you are a significantly greater risk to those around you than I am.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Feel the same about you the difference is I'm highly unlikely to shoot up my local school/post office or hospital

And how often does that happen with legally obtained firearms? Gang bangers are not notorious for adhering scrupulously to the law.

We have a vacant house next door, Mr. J, why don't you move in there?

[Seth]

what I'm wondering is why did this guy keep on trying to get in for "20" minutes? That's kind of a long time, especially she must have said it out loud, if you come in, I'll shoot you, and they kept on trying?

I think she did, but if she did, she was a fool. Giving warnings just gives away your position and compromises the edge you might have if the intruder doesn't know you're there.

It doesn't look like she had much to steal in that trailer? Were they out to rape her or kill her in a state of 'drug induced" delusion? or something else? I mean it's a small town, everyone knows everyone.

He was a stalker. He knew her, knew her husband had just died, and was clearly there to rape and probably murder her. She had no other choice.

[MrJonno]

Feel the same about you the difference is I'm highly unlikely to shoot up my local school/post office or hospital

And how often does that happen with legally obtained firearms? Gang bangers are not notorious for adhering scrupulously to the law.

We have a vacant house next door, Mr. J, why don't you move in there?

Most of the best gun massacres in the UK they are rare but do happen are usually with legal firearms. Had one recently someone shot his family dead and then himself. History of mental illness and but somehow the police gave me a shotgun license.

As for the vacant house whats public transport like there . I don't/can't live anywhere that doesnt have a bus stop within 5 minutes walk and at least a bus every 15 minutes preferable a lot more regular

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Feel the same about you the difference is I'm highly unlikely to shoot up my local school/post office or hospital

And how often does that happen with legally obtained firearms? Gang bangers are not notorious for adhering scrupulously to the law.

We have a vacant house next door, Mr. J, why don't you move in there?

Most of the best gun massacres in the UK they are rare but do happen are usually with legal firearms. Had one recently someone shot his family dead and then himself. History of mental illness and but somehow the police gave me a shotgun license.

As for the vacant house whats public transport like there . I don't/can't live anywhere that doesnt have a bus stop within 5 minutes walk and at least a bus every 15 minutes preferable a lot more regular

We're well beyond the bus route here. Mostly hill billys with guns, and the like. You'd like it.

[MrJonno]

The countryside is what concrete was invented for

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The countryside Long Island Sound is what concrete was invented for

[kiki5711]

what I'm wondering is why did this guy keep on trying to get in for "20" minutes? That's kind of a long time, especially she must have said it out loud, if you come in, I'll shoot you, and they kept on trying?

I think she did, but if she did, she was a fool. Giving warnings just gives away your position and compromises the edge you might have if the intruder doesn't know you're there.

It doesn't look like she had much to steal in that trailer? Were they out to rape her or kill her in a state of 'drug induced" delusion? or something else? I mean it's a small town, everyone knows everyone.

He was a stalker. He knew her, knew her husband had just died, and was clearly there to rape and probably murder her. She had no other choice.

Oh, dont get me wrong, I'm all for her gutting him to death, I was just trying to put a picture together in my mind.

Still if you look at it, those trailer doors aren't really that hard to kick in. After the first banging on door, she must of had some time before shuving that couch in front of it. During that time he could have busted through the door while she was getting the couch. Or was he just yelling "open the door bitch, I'm gonna rape and kill you" Also there were windows. I know she put the couch in front of the front door, was there another door? Did they punch out the windows?