Do Governments Represent Their People?

[Gawd]

See, Ian, this is the problem with you, you think you always have the right point of view.

Uh-huh.
Why don't you go back to the beginning of this thread and count how many people have disagreed with this idiotic idea that you've put forth?

You are all idiots if you think the government doesn't represent you and you are responsible for the actions of your government. Plus, I'm smarter than you.

So you're responsible for everything the Canadian government does? Wow, no shit.

Besides, you're not smarter than me. Fact.

Says the guy who worked for George Bush.

[Ian]

See, Ian, this is the problem with you, you think you always have the right point of view.

Uh-huh.
Why don't you go back to the beginning of this thread and count how many people have disagreed with this idiotic idea that you've put forth?

You are all idiots if you think the government doesn't represent you and you are responsible for the actions of your government. Plus, I'm smarter than you.

So you're responsible for everything the Canadian government does? Wow, no shit.

Besides, you're not smarter than me. Fact.

Says the guy who worked for George Bush.

Guess what? I didn't vote for him either time. Because I didn't think he adequately reflected/represented who I am.

So, if you're responsible for financing and supporting Harper and his guys (and I might as well hold you, personally, accountable), why don't you do something about those things you don't like? Why don't you refuse to pay taxes, or move somewhere else, or go live in a shack in the woods? 'Cause you're nice and comfortable where you are? You're the genius who said others here would've made nice obedient Germans in the 1930s and 40s, but you're as hypocritical if not worse than anyone. No balls to actually do anything except sit around and bitch about other people.

[Gawd]

Your country is the Nazi country, not mine.

[Ian]

[Clinton Huxley]

Hmmmm. We have a coalition Govt in the UK which no-one really expected and certainly didn't vote for. It's not representative of me as I didn't vote for either of the coalition partners and I oppose pretty much all of their policies.

My local MEP is gotch-eyed BNP jackass Nick Griffin. I didn't vote for him either and if he ever claimed to in any way represent me, I'd stick a garden rake up his backside.

[Pappa]

Hmmmm. We have a coalition Govt in the UK which no-one really expected and certainly didn't vote for. It's not representative of me as I didn't vote for either of the coalition partners and I oppose pretty much all of their policies.

My local MEP is gotch-eyed BNP jackass Nick Griffin. I didn't vote for him either and if he ever claimed to in any way represent me, I'd stick a garden rake up his backside.

And unfortunately, even when you do vote for an MP that gets in, they rarely, if ever represent you on anything but a tiny number of issues. I've been stuck in a position for my entire life as a voter where none of the available candidates' policies appeal to my political wishes. I've alternated between spoiling my ballot paper and choosing the candidate that I hate the least. Even when I have voted, I have been aware that my vote is as wasted as a spoilt paper because the candidate is expected to come in 3rd, 4th, 5th or worse. As much as I'd like to move to a country where the politics suits my views, there are many practical reasons why this would be impossible... and even then, I'd never find an exact match to my political utopia, as one doesn't exist.

So that puts me back to choosing between spoiling my ballot paper and voting for a loser.

As much as I'd like to have assassinated Tony Blair (and justifiably so for his war crimes), I'd not appreciate spending the rest of my life in prison watching a series of power-hungry Blair replacements do the same thing decade after decade.

Gawd, what's a guy to do in my position?

[Audley Strange]

Took me about 20 minutes to realise Gawd is not interested in reason, he's a zealot and you guys are wasting your time. Let him dig his own hole long enough and I'm sure his Government will represent his childish arse straight into jail.

[Pappa]

Took me about 20 minutes to realise Gawd is not interested in reason, he's a zealot and you guys are wasting your time.

Oh, we know that already.

[Audley Strange]

Ahhh providing him with the shovel eh? Niiiice.

[Feck]

Only knows one trick ....

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Took me about 20 minutes to realise Gawd is not interested in reason, he's a zealot and you guys are wasting your time. Let him dig his own hole long enough and I'm sure his Government will represent his childish arse straight into jail.

He's like a thirteen year old boy who just found out about sex. He can't stop wanking.

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, yeah, remembered something that should put a wrench in your perception of me only "hating" Americans, Ian. Stephen Harper (the Canadian Prime Minister) is pro-Israel and he is still my Prime Minister. Suck that.

When have I ever said that you only hate Americans?? You hate all sorts of people.

As far as I'm concerned, Israel's government can suck my shwetty arsehole. But while my current President has publicly endorsed the possibility of a Palestinian state (something that represents my views fairly well), your government is arguably more pro-Israeli than mine. Therefore, since Harper and his government are a reflection of who you are, you're pro-Israel. Care to change your avatar back to what it was for a month last summer?

Ian, your President said that he will shut down any possibility of a Palestinian state in the UN. Care to go again?

Can you show me the borders of a Palestinian State, as set forth the Palestinian government? Until we see what borders your boys want, then we can evaluate the proposal.

Let me guess....

The Palestinians groups (including Hamas) and the Arab League have insisted for decades on the 1967 borders which every nation on the planet except for Israel and America accept.

I sincerely would like to see the written proof of Hamas and other Palestinian Groups insisting on the 1967 borders. Link? Citation?

[Svartalf]

I'm tired of the dumb comments by some here saying that governments don't represent them. They are wrong. Your government officially represents you. What your government does reflects on who you are.

No, gummints don't represent the people, I'm pretty sure that the number of Americans who feel properly represented by the Obama administration, or by their reps and senators is a tiny minority.

I sure as heck am not being represented in any way, shape, or form, by my deputee in parliament, and even less by the szarkoszyt and his cronies.

You are still benefiting from public works, roads, water service, sewers, electric service, police, etc..... Maybe you should give that all up and live in the shack in the middle of nowhere if you think your government doesn't represent you.

again, and another for moving the goal posts

The question you yourself asked is not whether governments maintain the state, even Western democratic nanny states, it was whether they represent their people.

a) the modern system of so called "representative democracy" is a sham and a fraud, as the elected officials do not represent the wishes and interests of those who nominally elected them, but solely those of the political party and machine that helped them get to that office.

b) What's worse, the minorities who voted against whoever is in office don't get any form of representation, as officials seldom listen to their constituents at all, and are not likely to act on, or give voice to the wishes and concerns of people whose agenda doesn't mach theirs.

[Coito ergo sum]

Oh, yeah, remembered something that should put a wrench in your perception of me only "hating" Americans, Ian. Stephen Harper (the Canadian Prime Minister) is pro-Israel and he is still my Prime Minister. Suck that.

Proud of all that hate, aren't you. Sick fuck.

Yeah, me and my anti-stealing-homes-of-gentiles-because-we-get-weapons-from-Americans-stance.

You have proof of the home stealing, yet?

The Beoduin.

You'll need to be more specific. It's not immediately apparent how the homes of desert-dwelling nomads were stolen. Citation? Link?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You'll need to be more specific. It's not immediately apparent how the homes of desert-dwelling nomads were stolen. Citation? Link?

In case you haven't noticed, Gawd would not pass the Turing Test.