Mystery Missile

[Blondie]

Double post.

[Trolldor]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

[Blondie]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

Right. I'll wait for the FAA to tell me what flight it was, not some quack on his blog. .

Wow, you really want it to be a missile huh?

US Airlines will tell you about flight 808
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA808

Do you dispute that the "quack"/"twat" showed us a picture of flight 808 in the webcam image, or Is it two missiles now?

The similarities are striking.

"The FAA ran radar replays of a large area west of Los Angeles based on media reports of the possible missile launch at approximately 5 p.m. (PT) on Monday. The radar replays did not reveal any fast moving, unidentified targets in that area," said FAA spokesman Ian Gregor. "The FAA did not receive reports ... of unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area on Monday afternoon.

Anything else? I don't "really want it to be a missile". I really want a real source to tell me what it was. If you can't see the glaring errors in that idiotic blog post the statement from the FAA spokesman should be enough for you to bin it regardless.

ETA: Funny how their projected course doesn't show all those rapid wobbles we see in the video of the "missile".

The FAA spokesman would obviously not report anything unusual on radar, since flight 808 was a scheduled airline! Nothing unusual about it, except how its contrail looked in the setting sun from an area on shore. From any other angle it probably looked like a typical contrail. Not something pilots report as unusual.

The "wobble" is likely an atmospheric effect.

Horseshit.

The wobble is not an "atmospheric effect" - watch the video as the "missile moves". I'm not talking about the "contrail" being shifted by the wind. The "missile" which you can see as a dot in the video changes course rapidly - too rapidly for an airliner (they are not that maneuverable for one thing), and a serious deviation from flight 808's flight plan (they are strictly forbidden from deviating from registered flight plans except in case of emergency and that kind of shit is dealt with by ATC and well documented)

If the object was flight 808 the spokesman would have said "this was flight 808"! End of speculation! But no, neither the FAA nor the Pentagon has been able to identify this object. A true UFO.

The only person to "identify" it so far is some quack on his blog.

Finally the "contrail" does not look like a contrail. There is a superficial resemblance, nothing more.

You really want this to be flight 808 don't you?

Hoax? Maybe.

[Blondie]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

Mind telling me how "we know that for certain"? In detail if you please and sources cited.

[Ian]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

Mind telling me how "we know that for certain"? In detail if you please and sources cited.

I'll see your Russel's Teapot, and I'll raise you a Godwin!

How do we know that it wasn't the Nazis? There could be a Fourth Reich operating somewhere in secret, plotting to take over the world when the time is right. If you have details and sources proving otherwise, please let us know.

[Blondie]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

Mind telling me how "we know that for certain"? In detail if you please and sources cited.

I'll see your Russel's Teapot, and I'll raise you a Godwin!

How do we know that it wasn't the Nazis? There could be a Fourth Reich operating somewhere in secret, plotting to take over the world when the time is right. If you have details and sources proving otherwise, please let us know.

And you're the guy who told me to work on my critical thinking.. You, sir, have no business being in ONI.

He made a definite and categorical claim without providing any evidence for it. Now I want him to back it up with some and the sources he got this evidence from.

Critical thinking 101.

[Ayaan]

It seems the 'missile' was US Airways flight 808.

http://blog1.bahneman.com/content/it-wa ... flight-808
Right time and location, and repeated 24 hours later.

Right. I'll wait for the FAA to tell me what flight it was, not some quack on his blog. .

Wow, you really want it to be a missile huh?

US Airlines will tell you about flight 808
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA808

Do you dispute that the "quack"/"twat" showed us a picture of flight 808 in the webcam image, or Is it two missiles now?

The similarities are striking.

"The FAA ran radar replays of a large area west of Los Angeles based on media reports of the possible missile launch at approximately 5 p.m. (PT) on Monday. The radar replays did not reveal any fast moving, unidentified targets in that area," said FAA spokesman Ian Gregor. "The FAA did not receive reports ... of unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area on Monday afternoon.

Anything else? I don't "really want it to be a missile". I really want a real source to tell me what it was. If you can't see the glaring errors in that idiotic blog post the statement from the FAA spokesman should be enough for you to bin it regardless.

ETA: Funny how their projected course doesn't show all those rapid wobbles we see in the video of the "missile".

The FAA spokesman would obviously not report anything unusual on radar, since flight 808 was a scheduled airline! Nothing unusual about it, except how its contrail looked in the setting sun from an area on shore. From any other angle it probably looked like a typical contrail. Not something pilots report as unusual.

The "wobble" is likely an atmospheric effect.

The 'wobble' could be an atmospheric effect. If you've ever looked through a telescope when the upper atmosphere was turbulent, you've seen the effects - it's like trying to look through a lake on a windy day.

[JimC]

Has this been gone over seriously in mainsteam media yet?

[Trolldor]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

Mind telling me how "we know that for certain"? In detail if you please and sources cited.

Mind presenting any demonstrable evidence that it, in fact, was?

[Blondie]

Yes. Coito posted a vid interviewing one physicist Michio Kacho (sp?) above in which he described the erratic course of the UFO which he determined by analysing the video frame by frame.

So much for atmospheric effect. Or maybe he just doesn't know as much as people here.

[Blondie]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

Mind telling me how "we know that for certain"? In detail if you please and sources cited.

Mind presenting any demonstrable evidence that it, in fact, was?

You made the positive claim, not me. Back it up, retract it, or continue to look like a clueless asshat. Your choice.

[Trolldor]

Actually the positive claim is that 'it is or could be a missile'.

And no evidence has been forthcoming.

[Blondie]

Actually the positive claim is that 'it is or could be a missile'.

And no evidence has been forthcoming.

Holy clueless fuck.

You claimed we definitely know it is not a missile. This is a positive claim.

It's like saying we definitely know God doesn't exist. Also a positive claim.

Both require evidence.

Put up or retract.

[Ian]

Was not a freakin' missile, that we know for certain.

If it was, would have been easier to say "Yes, we test fired a missile but we F**ked up a little"
And everyone would have gone "Oh those silly military men" and moved on.

Mind telling me how "we know that for certain"? In detail if you please and sources cited.

I'll see your Russel's Teapot, and I'll raise you a Godwin!

How do we know that it wasn't the Nazis? There could be a Fourth Reich operating somewhere in secret, plotting to take over the world when the time is right. If you have details and sources proving otherwise, please let us know.

And you're the guy who told me to work on my critical thinking.. You, sir, have no business being in ONI.

He made a definite and categorical claim without providing any evidence for it. Now I want him to back it up with some and the sources he got this evidence from.

Critical thinking 101.

You've got it backwards. You, sir, have no business bragging about how smart you are.
He's talking about what it wasn't. Blame him for using the word "certain", but you're asking him to disprove a notion that cannot easily be disproven. That is a Russel's Teapot!
Why is it such? Because, if you had any common sense, you'd realize that it's such a remotely small possibility that it doesn't warrant serious speculation.
If there was an earthquake in Iran tomorrow, and someone said that it certainly couldn't have been caused by a CIA satellite, would you ask for detailed sources proving otherwise? That, too, would be a Russel's Teapot. Unprovable, yes - but we shouldn't have to!

And, FUCK YOU. You're the one who insisted on wanting to know about my job. Don't bring it up again, smartass.

[Trolldor]

Actually the positive claim is that 'it is or could be a missile'.

And no evidence has been forthcoming.

Holy clueless fuck.

You claimed we definitely know it is not a missile. This is a positive claim.

It's like saying we definitely know God doesn't exist. Also a positive claim.

Both require evidence.

Put up or retract.

Fine, if it wasn't a missile we would expect there to be absolutely no evidence demonstrating it was.

There is no demonstrable evidence that it was a missile thus, in the absence of all evidence, I can for certain state that it is not a missile.

Now, please prove your claim.