Man jailed for dead girl 'trolling' insults on FB,Youtube

[JimC]

I don't think too highly of cuckoo clock collectors, but I don't say much about it.

Yeh well, it's people like you, who look the other way, who share responsibility for all the cuckoo clock related tragedies.
I hope you're proud of yourself.

The true responsibility, of course, lies with those evil, grasping Swiss companies that make millions from other's tragedies. Rather than blaming Robert, why not organise a demo outside the Swiss embassy?

[Cunt]

I would rather have guns in the hands of ONLY those who want them. Keeps the police from having to do all the shit-work.

Like I've said before, the people who want them are mostly sad and inadequate.
They are the very worst people to own guns.

The rule should be that only people who DON'T want them should be allowed to handle them.
And since you mentioned it previously, Seth would be the VERY LAST person that I would like to see armed. And you would be last but one.

Isn't it funny how Seth and I are armed, and you keep not getting shot? It's almost like they are of no concern of yours. Wait a sec...it's EXACTLY like that.

Isn't it odd to you that so many gun owners (I use them for hunting, camp protection and FUN!) spend their whole lives NOT shooting people?

You obviously like to use personal insults on gun-owners, it shows much about how well you have organized your thoughts on the matter.

[MrJonno]

You obviously like to use personal insults on gun-owners, it shows much about how well you have organized your thoughts on the matter.

No I would rather they weren't insulted I would prefer execution, we give them 5 years mandatory for possession of a handgun in the UK which is higher than many rapes and even some cases of manslaughter bu thats a waste of paperwork,

I would rather live next to a child rapist than live next to someone who owned a firearm

[Robert_S]

You obviously like to use personal insults on gun-owners, it shows much about how well you have organized your thoughts on the matter.

No I would rather they weren't insulted I would prefer execution, we give them 5 years mandatory for possession of a handgun in the UK which is higher than many rapes and even some cases of manslaughter bu thats a waste of paperwork,

I would rather live next to a child rapist than live next to someone who owned a firearm

I'm sooooo glad you're not my dad.

[Cunt]

I would rather live next to a child rapist than live next to someone who owned a firearm

I was actually addressing mistermack but that is SO sig-worthy!

[Robert_S]

You obviously like to use personal insults on gun-owners, it shows much about how well you have organized your thoughts on the matter.

No I would rather they weren't insulted I would prefer execution, we give them 5 years mandatory for possession of a handgun in the UK which is higher than many rapes and even some cases of manslaughter bu thats a waste of paperwork,

I would rather live next to a child rapist than live next to someone who owned a firearm

I repeat:

Sad, as in a sad case.

It seems to me that a lot of anti-gun people have stronger and more frequent emotions about guns than most gun owners.

I think I called it right in at least one case.

[Seth]

You obviously like to use personal insults on gun-owners, it shows much about how well you have organized your thoughts on the matter.

No I would rather they weren't insulted I would prefer execution, we give them 5 years mandatory for possession of a handgun in the UK which is higher than many rapes and even some cases of manslaughter bu thats a waste of paperwork,

I would rather live next to a child rapist than live next to someone who owned a firearm

I repeat:

Sad, as in a sad case.

It seems to me that a lot of anti-gun people have stronger and more frequent emotions about guns than most gun owners.

I think I called it right in at least one case.

Indeed. It's because the anti-gun loons are quite literally delusional paranoiacs who fear their fellow citizens so much that they quiver in terror and piss their pants at the idea that their neighbors might be armed and able to defend themselves. This is because they are so functionally insane that they cannot distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys.

[MrJonno]

Indeed. It's because the anti-gun loons are quite literally delusional paranoiacs who fear their fellow citizens so much that they quiver in terror and piss their pants at the idea that their neighbors might be armed and able to defend themselves. This is because they are so functionally insane that they cannot distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys.

Ah the insane idea that the world can be divided up into good and bad guys not just stressed people who have had a bad day at work. But you are right there is pretty nothing I fear more than my neighbour getting a gun, certainly its far more than some random person breaking the door down in the middle of the night or an oppressive goverment.

Luckly 99.99% of the population agree with me and have long abolished private firearms so If I'm insane then so is everyone else

[Robert_S]

Indeed. It's because the anti-gun loons are quite literally delusional paranoiacs who fear their fellow citizens so much that they quiver in terror and piss their pants at the idea that their neighbors might be armed and able to defend themselves. This is because they are so functionally insane that they cannot distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys.

Ah the insane idea that the world can be divided up into good and bad guys not just stressed people who have had a bad day at work. But you are right there is pretty nothing I fear more than my neighbour getting a gun, certainly its far more than some random person breaking the door down in the middle of the night or an oppressive goverment.

Luckly 99.99% of the population agree with me and have long abolished private firearms so If I'm insane then so is everyone else

If that's a pragmatic decision based on probable outcomes of different levels of gun control, then I've no problem with it.

I suspect though, that it might be "out of sight, out of mind". I'm not as individualistic as Seth, but I smell an anti-individualism at work. As a kid who had to take a beating at school because I cared more about getting suspended for fighting than that particular bully did, I find the "wait for the proper authorities to handle it no matter what" attitude quite disgusting.

[MrJonno]

If that's a pragmatic decision based on probable outcomes of different levels of gun control, then I've no problem with it.

I suspect though, that it might be "out of sight, out of mind". I'm not as individualistic as Seth, but I smell an anti-individualism at work. As a kid who had to take a beating at school because I cared more about getting suspended for fighting than that particular bully did, I find the "wait for the proper authorities to handle it no matter what" attitude quite disgusting.

It's a numbers game, in the million to one chance that mr robber turns up on the middle of the night with a gun and I somehow managed to wake up in the 5 seconds it took him to reach by bedroom (thats the size of British houses) then I would probably regret not having an Uzi by my bed. However you are better of taking action as a society to reach the chances of that happening in the first place (ie illegal guns and 25 years for robbing a house while armed as opposed to probation while unarmed).

People can be as indiviualistic as they want as long as it doesnt damage the society that person lives in (decided by society not any one individual).

[Robert_S]

Do you mean burgling or home invasion?

[MrJonno]

Do you mean burgling or home invasion?

I think that is an Americanism and doesnt have any legal meaning in the UK, There is burgulary (unarmed bar possibly a screwdriver to open a window) and aggravated burgulary where someone carries a weapon of offence ('weapon of offence' means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use.").

There is no legal difference whether a owner is in or not (so any dodgy American gun statistics that start going on about whether someone is in or not in the UK is basically lying as no one records this).

Burglary is very very common in the UK generally because we are almost entirely high density urban, have relatively long holidays where houses are empty for several weeks on end or many weekends). Someone actually being attacked in their house never mind killed is roughly the same change as an aircraft landing on your head which does occassionally happen but isnt something that keeps me up at night)

[Cunt]

If I'm insane then so is everyone else

Argument ad populum or some shit...

MrJonno, there are likely several folks you know who own guns. There are several on this forum. You are relatively safe from any of them. Not so a mugger who may use any weapon he can find. (I don't carry a gun for that kind of protection, but I do pay for someone to do it for me, so the same thing)

In fact, I would be happy to take whatever subject Seth and I disagree most bitterly about, have a few drinks (to loosen up) and talk it over with him while he has a loaded firearm.

I wouldn't trust you to clean one.

If you can't see how that makes sense, maybe you should surround yourself with child rapists (does that mean children who rape or those who rape children?...no matter...gross either way you meant it) who are safe and comfortable for you to be around rather than gun owners (like many of those whom you pay to protect you). I think you can be confident that I, as a gun owner who thinks your reasoning disgusting (gun owners are worse than rapists to you?!?!), will not seek to become your neighbour. See - win/win!

[Gallstones]

You obviously like to use personal insults on gun-owners, it shows much about how well you have organized your thoughts on the matter.

No I would rather they weren't insulted I would prefer execution, we give them 5 years mandatory for possession of a handgun in the UK which is higher than many rapes and even some cases of manslaughter bu thats a waste of paperwork,

I would rather live next to a child rapist than live next to someone who owned a firearm

And you don't ever think that your extremist and completely untenable solutions aren't totally bat shit insane?
Who are the crazy people here again?

If I didn't think you were just winding people up I'd swear you were in the same club as that Catholic woman who is too afraid to leave her house because there are gay people outside. And, I might even be tempted to feel sorry for you.

BTW, what would be the means of execution?

[Seth]

Do you mean burgling or home invasion?

I think that is an Americanism and doesnt have any legal meaning in the UK, There is burgulary (unarmed bar possibly a screwdriver to open a window) and aggravated burgulary where someone carries a weapon of offence ('weapon of offence' means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use.").

There is no legal difference whether a owner is in or not (so any dodgy American gun statistics that start going on about whether someone is in or not in the UK is basically lying as no one records this).

Burglary is very very common in the UK generally because we are almost entirely high density urban, have relatively long holidays where houses are empty for several weeks on end or many weekends). Someone actually being attacked in their house never mind killed is roughly the same change as an aircraft landing on your head which does occassionally happen but isnt something that keeps me up at night)

No, burglary, particularly "hot" burglaries, or as some call them, "home invasions" when the residents are home are very, very common in the UK precisely because such criminals have absolutely no fear that they will be physically opposed, injured or killed, and they know that if they are injured, it's likely that the homeowner who injured them will end up paying them damages.

You have lots of burglaries, and lots of street crime, because the Brits are a nation of cowards and gutless panty-waists who think that it's more important to protect the rights of burglars and street thugs than it is to protect the rights of homeowners and law-abiding citizens.

Over here, we feel quite differently about it, and we believe that armed thugs who enter our homes, even if all they are armed with is a screwdriver, deserve to be made quickly dead by the homeowner because it is the homeowner who has a right to absolute safety in his own home, and the armed thug in the commission of a crime has almost no rights when inside someone else's home.

That's why our "hot burglary" rate is much lower than the UK's, and why burglars here go to great pains to make sure nobody is home before they try to break in...because they know damned good and well that their lives are forfeit if the encounter anyone in the home.

And that's exactly how it should be in any civilized society. The UK, unfortunately, is no longer a civilized society, it's a society of moral cowards that has surrendered it's liberty to the thugs and thieves and no longer deserves any sympathy when its people are victimized, injured or killed by their masters...the armed criminals of their society. They are reaping what they have sown, and they richly deserve it.

Here's a side note from the UK Home Office on the "counting rules for burglary" and the "counting rules for robbery."

The counting rules for burglary say nothing about whether the homeowner is present or not, but if any force is used during a "trespass" against an occupant to, for example keep them quiet or to threaten them so that they will give up the goods, the crime is NOT COUNTED as a burglary, it's counted as a ROBBERY.

So, although "hot" burglaries, when the occupant is home are not specifically counted, the use of any force during a burglary turns it into a robbery as reported and counted, rather than a burglary. Now I have to see if there is a category for "robbery taking place in a dwelling." I'll get back to you.