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Post by Berthold » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:16 pm

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Svartalf wrote:wait, chavs also come in black?
Well, yes. It is supposed to be a non-racial epitaph.
Is that a Freudian slip of wishful thinking? :?

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Post by Seth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:21 pm

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Ironclad wrote:It's winding up for a 3rd night now, TV helicopters are showing 100s of little cnuts looting shops for little more than missiles for the night-fight. Where the fuck are the water-cannon?
Fuck water cannons, shoot them all dead. Society is better off without rioters.
What nonsense. Democracy is founded upon people who were willing to confront the forces of the existing power. There is a distinction between looters and rioters.

Many of the middle-eastern protests could be characterised as riots. Are you saying that they should also be shot?
If they are rioting, torching stuff (arson is a capital crime), looting and hurting people, you give them an order to disperse, perhaps you try some tear gas and truncheons, but by the next day, when the orders to disperse and stay inside have been well published, you begin shooting rioters, particularly masked ones armed with gasoline bombs and other weapons. Suppressing riots is a dirty business, and after fair warning to disperse, it is lawful for the police to use deadly force in most every country in the world. Snipers on rooftops should be picking off the anarchists and gasoline-bomb throwers one by one.
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Post by MrJonno » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:29 pm

If they are rioting, torching stuff (arson is a capital crime), looting and hurting people, you give them an order to disperse, perhaps you try some tear gas and truncheons, but by the next day, when the orders to disperse and stay inside have been well published, you begin shooting rioters, particularly masked ones armed with gasoline bombs and other weapons. Suppressing riots is a dirty business, and after fair warning to disperse, it is lawful for the police to use deadly force in most every country in the world. Snipers on rooftops should be picking off the anarchists and gasoline-bomb throwers one by one.
Live ammunition against petrol bombs? I would hope not. It is not legal for police to use deadly force pretty much short of being shot at. There arent any armed riot squads and if it really got that bad I would hope the police would just back up and film the rioters destroying shops until they got bored. Then arrest them later. The police are no more authorised to use deadly force against people damaging property than anyone else is (ie they arent)
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Post by Svartalf » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:32 pm

Ironclad wrote:
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Ironclad wrote:But this isn't a reaction to the pressure of high petrol prices or the cost of housing, this is a snowball effect from an allegedly armed man/chav allegedly being shot and his family and friends, then gang-wannbes going Tonto. These fuckers are looting AND rioting for shits and giggles.
wait, chavs also come in black?
:ask:

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:33 pm

Seth wrote:
Cormac wrote:
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Ironclad wrote:It's winding up for a 3rd night now, TV helicopters are showing 100s of little cnuts looting shops for little more than missiles for the night-fight. Where the fuck are the water-cannon?
Fuck water cannons, shoot them all dead. Society is better off without rioters.
What nonsense. Democracy is founded upon people who were willing to confront the forces of the existing power. There is a distinction between looters and rioters.

Many of the middle-eastern protests could be characterised as riots. Are you saying that they should also be shot?
If they are rioting, torching stuff (arson is a capital crime), looting and hurting people, you give them an order to disperse, perhaps you try some tear gas and truncheons, but by the next day, when the orders to disperse and stay inside have been well published, you begin shooting rioters, particularly masked ones armed with gasoline bombs and other weapons. Suppressing riots is a dirty business, and after fair warning to disperse, it is lawful for the police to use deadly force in most every country in the world. Snipers on rooftops should be picking off the anarchists and gasoline-bomb throwers one by one.
Exactly. just like they do in civilised countries like... Libya, Syria, China, Yemen... :roll:
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Post by Pensioner » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:35 pm

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I wish you weren't treated so poorly by English nationalists in your youth.
I hate nationalists of any stripe, English welsh, Scots or Irish, they are all the same to me. The American Canadian or Australian nationalists can go and fuck themselves with a sharp stick. Black white purple of pink nationalists are cunts as well. When in comes to nationalists I'm colour blind. I do like them as I think they a narrow minded bigots who have nothing to say in politics but hatred.
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Post by Seth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:35 pm

The Red Fox wrote:
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The Red Fox wrote: Many of the rioters are young, disaffected and with no hope of anything resembling a future other than life on the dole.
Welcome to the socialist economic end game, when the socialist government can no longer pump out the largess from the public treasury to keep the seething proletarian dole-takers happy because nobody's producing any wealth and everybody's on the dole, and the self-same proletarian dependent-class drones turn on their masters and start to rip them to pieces for failing to keep their unkeepable promises.
Nobody can produce any wealth because 75% of our economy is service based and the majority of those jobs are in the urban areas and in the south, as is what little is left of our industry (roughly 11% of the economic base and shrinking). Engineers and anyone with hands of skill are leaving this country to find work abroad. This is a problem which has had nearly 3 decades to be addressed, but every government seems to be intent on letting 2/3rds of the country become a desolate waste.
And why has industry left the UK? Because of socialist policies and labor unions, who through excessive demands for wages, compensation and public entitlements have driven manufacturers out of the country to places where the costs of labor make it possible to make a profit. Fancy that. You're suffering the inevitable consequences of socialist entitlement mentality. Meanwhile, China and the third world, where people are either slaves (China) or eschew labor unions have kept their labor costs down, which allows manufacturers to turn a profit, and the people who work in the factories benefit enormously because their wages are much higher than they were before, and they are happy to have jobs.

TANSTAAFL. The UK is realizing the realities of socialist entitlement mentality and dependent-class rage at the failed promises of socialism. The economic facts are simple: If it costs you $10.00 to manufacture a product, and the market is only willing to pay $8.00 for the product, you're fucked and you're going to go out of business, and there will be no product created for consumers to buy. If the costs of labor in the UK make it impossible to lower production costs enough to provide a profit at $8.00 because labor unions and a complicit socialist government have demanded higher wages and taxed and regulated the profit out of manufacturing, then the manufacturer is simply going to go out of business or he's going to move his manufacturing operation to a place with laws, regulations and labor costs that permit him to make a profit. And the UK (and the US) get fucked as manufacturing is off-shored. It's all part of the greed of labor unions and the dependent-class socialist mentality that promises workers things the government can no longer afford to provide. Now the petard has gone off and things are going to get ugly.
You can look for the socialist authorities to become ever-more authoritarian and heavy-handed as they try to quell the riots and unrest. Soon enough the Army will be called out to assist the over-burdened, lll-equipped and untrained police in the art of urban guerrilla warfare by disaffected Marxist dupes. And they will lose, but many will die in the process, as they did under Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Castro. Expect heads on pikes and bodies hanging from London Bridge soon enough.

Welcome to the Brave New World. Too bad you don't have any arms with which to defend your homes and communities. It's going to suck to be you. The fuse is short and the petard is about to blow up under your asses, and it's no more than you deserve.
Er ... Thanks Sethadamus. Or maybe it'll be a short period of rioting, arrests will be made to placate the frothing media-consuming masses and things will carry on as normal until the next economic collapse. Your apocalyptic ramblings are on par with religious fanaticism. Maybe you should go out and socialise more. Oh shit, sorry. "Interact with other human beings in a non-Commie way". Phew. Nearly stepped in it there.
I told you so, repeatedly, over the span of years, but would you listen? Noooooooooo! :banghead:
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Post by Seth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:43 pm

MrJonno wrote:
If they are rioting, torching stuff (arson is a capital crime), looting and hurting people, you give them an order to disperse, perhaps you try some tear gas and truncheons, but by the next day, when the orders to disperse and stay inside have been well published, you begin shooting rioters, particularly masked ones armed with gasoline bombs and other weapons. Suppressing riots is a dirty business, and after fair warning to disperse, it is lawful for the police to use deadly force in most every country in the world. Snipers on rooftops should be picking off the anarchists and gasoline-bomb throwers one by one.
Live ammunition against petrol bombs? I would hope not. It is not legal for police to use deadly force pretty much short of being shot at.


The fuck it's not. Throwing a gasoline-filled glass bottle at a human being is deadly force, no question about it. Ever been immolated by flaming gasoline? Threatening to do so absolutely justifies the use of deadly physical force. Were someone threatening to throw a gasoline-bomb at me, I'd shoot him dead in a heartbeat without a second thought. Around here, arson of an occupied dwelling or structure is a capital offense, and deadly force is authorized to prevent such an arson. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
There arent any armed riot squads and if it really got that bad I would hope the police would just back up and film the rioters destroying shops until they got bored. Then arrest them later. The police are no more authorised to use deadly force against people damaging property than anyone else is (ie they arent)
Did it ever occur to you that there are PEOPLE in those buildings? That's exactly what happened at a recent G8 (or G20) riot, where anarchists with gasoline bombs murdered a bank teller by burning her to death. Did it ever occur to you that fires SPREAD to other occupied structures and can create firestorms, particularly when rioters prevent the fire department from suppressing the fires? Fuck the rioters, if they are holding a gasoline bomb, they need to be instantly dead by sniper round to the head. I volunteer to go over there and personally shoot anyone holding a gasoline bomb myself if the Brits haven't got the balls. Call out the fucking army with machine guns. But do something besides stand there with your thumb up your ass letting murderers and arsonists get away with it.

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Post by Tyrannical » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:50 pm

Pensioner wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
Pensioner wrote:I wish the same could be said for the right wing posters on this site.
I wish you weren't treated so poorly by English nationalists in your youth.
I hate nationalists of any stripe, English welsh, Scots or Irish, they are all the same to me. The American Canadian or Australian nationalists can go and fuck themselves with a sharp stick. Black white purple of pink nationalists are cunts as well. When in comes to nationalists I'm colour blind. I do like them as I think they a narrow minded bigots who have nothing to say in politics but hatred.

At some point Pensioner you may have to reevaluate who your friends and who your enemies are.
You have grandchildren now, what is in their best interest? Surely it is not increased Muslim immigration and Sharia law for the UK.
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Post by Seth » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:51 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
Seth wrote:
Cormac wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:
Ironclad wrote:It's winding up for a 3rd night now, TV helicopters are showing 100s of little cnuts looting shops for little more than missiles for the night-fight. Where the fuck are the water-cannon?
Fuck water cannons, shoot them all dead. Society is better off without rioters.
What nonsense. Democracy is founded upon people who were willing to confront the forces of the existing power. There is a distinction between looters and rioters.

Many of the middle-eastern protests could be characterised as riots. Are you saying that they should also be shot?
If they are rioting, torching stuff (arson is a capital crime), looting and hurting people, you give them an order to disperse, perhaps you try some tear gas and truncheons, but by the next day, when the orders to disperse and stay inside have been well published, you begin shooting rioters, particularly masked ones armed with gasoline bombs and other weapons. Suppressing riots is a dirty business, and after fair warning to disperse, it is lawful for the police to use deadly force in most every country in the world. Snipers on rooftops should be picking off the anarchists and gasoline-bomb throwers one by one.
Exactly. just like they do in civilised countries like... Libya, Syria, China, Yemen... :roll:
Hey, putting down insurrection is a dirty business. Whether it's morally justifiable depends on many factors. But people rioting over a police shooting is a pretty simple calculation: If they refuse to disperse, engage in arson, physically assault people and other wise threaten the community, then fucking shoot them after you've warned them to disperse. If you don't, the rioting will continue to spread and get worse as the police lose control of the situation. Don't want to get shot? Then disperse.

Peaceful protest is one thing. Arson and looting are something else again entirely. Of course the good news is that race riots and anti-police riots tend to happen in the rioter's own communities, so they are looting and destroying their own neighborhoods. To repeat what got me suspended at RatSkep for being "racist," when the blacks in Watts riot, they don't go to Brentwood or any of the wealthy sections of town, they burn down their own homes and shops, owned and operated by other blacks, and then complain when they don't have any shops in their communities and they are unemployed afterwards. This happens to be a fact of history, and I suspect Tottenham is the same sort of situation. I don't know the ethnic/racial zones in the UK, but I doubt I'm wrong.

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Post by Warren Dew » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:53 pm

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An über-libertarian talking about what's good for society?
Tyrannical is hardly a libertarian. Libertarians believe in both economic liberty and civil liberties; Tyrannical doesn't seem to believe in civil liberties and I'm not so sure about the economic ones either.

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Seth wrote:
This post contains an attack on another member and is currently under staff discussion.
It does? Are you sure?
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Post by Warren Dew » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:00 pm

Seth wrote:
Seth wrote: This post contains an attack on another member and is currently under staff discussion.
It does? Are you sure?
I was wondering if the personal attack got edited out or something.

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Post by Tyrannical » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:00 pm

Ouch!

You are so mean Warren Dew.
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Re: Tottenham Riots

Post by Ironclad » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:04 pm

Svartalf wrote:
Ironclad wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
Ironclad wrote:But this isn't a reaction to the pressure of high petrol prices or the cost of housing, this is a snowball effect from an allegedly armed man/chav allegedly being shot and his family and friends, then gang-wannbes going Tonto. These fuckers are looting AND rioting for shits and giggles.
wait, chavs also come in black?
:ask:

Yeh.
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